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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 6, 2015 6:12:38 GMT -6
Bryce, I am all for anyone who commits tax fraud to serve the time and pay the fine. So that would include the rich as well. Many private companies limit their fraud as well and spend lots of money and resources on such, hence the reason others get to pay more for goods and services. if you feel private companies do not do near as good a job as our govt at limiting fraud so be it.
private companies have the freedom to spend their money as they wish because well they are private,provided they break no laws doing such,if they do then they need to be held accountable, never stated anything opposite of that. Because they get tax loop holes given out by our govt means what? Is that the problem of everyone make 500,000 or more? or the Govts problem for writing them in? Like it or hate it,tax those driving the market place and work force too much and all will suffer. The money will not stay flowing at the same rates and amounts.
relying on our federal govt for prosperity is not my model of a strong economy, maybe it isn't your either I do not know?
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Post by trappnman on Jan 6, 2015 6:16:47 GMT -6
there is an old saying- actions speak louder than words
in this case TC all your previous posts contradict your last.
so which is it-
the church is infallible, or it is not?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 6, 2015 6:20:08 GMT -6
Tman church post is the one next door....... But you asked I will answer, no church is infallible, but gods words are!
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Post by trappnman on Jan 6, 2015 6:36:34 GMT -6
odd- I read your post and replied-
who chooses which words are "God's"?
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Post by trappnman on Jan 6, 2015 9:08:38 GMT -6
TC- you posted this a few posts back-
kids are perfect, never stated my church is perfect FACT. You came to that conclusion on your own.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 6, 2015 16:17:25 GMT -6
There you go again selecting tax fraud as the issue for you. Do you have any comprehension how many fraud opportunities there are when businesses work with governments in contracts and contracting? My God tax fraud is the tail on this issue. Not many of the 40 million on Food Stamps can defraud the government with fudging the books. Especially when most feel they don't even know how to read or do the math. Yet those are the fraud examples people want to highlight.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Jan 6, 2015 16:26:37 GMT -6
I see the same thing with welfare Bryce- that is, the talking point is about a person that gets food stamps, buying a soda pop with the money, rather than understanding that the money paid out to corporations is just as much "welfare" and the amounts paid out compared to "family welfare" is staggerring
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 6, 2015 18:47:58 GMT -6
Bryce yes I do, a good friend worked for Rockwell for many years in govt defense contracts. lots and lots of money.
How about our govt buying things at or above a retail level then Re selling for pennies on the dollar at federal auctions? Another thing I would like to see cleaned up.
Tman you live close to Minneapolis how about the fact that billionaires are given tax payer money for ball stadiums or hockey arenas? They make tons of money at the expense of the tax payers what are your thoughts on that?
Bryce I have also seen things on the Indian reservations which are fraudulent as well, I am against it all. Yet in DC business as usual, hence the reason I like more local control.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 6, 2015 18:57:32 GMT -6
Tman who chooses which words are gods? Those that believe in god and listen to the words of god, and read the bible and scriptures as they have been translated and written.
Again you asked if a church is infallible, No is the answer but gods words are. Simple really. All churches deal with issues that his human nature, gods grace is not human in nature and sanctifies our soul.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 6, 2015 22:09:17 GMT -6
Why do you continue to say it is always business as usual in D.C.? By your posts you give me the impression that government has been invented to purposely fraud their own citizens and totally disagree with that philosophy of how and why government exits. There are many things that government can improve upon but from my review and study the highest levels of fraud or waste etc. seem to be in areas where the government is highly involved with large scale businesses, contracts and powerful private sector firms etc. The most likely high level potential areas of over valued assets or items probably are defense, banking, mortgages and mortgage insurance, health care, infrastructure construction etc. The large firms that lobby hard really spend billions to use taxpayer funds yet we seem to want to penalize those 30-50 million who benefit little from the government other than money for food, heat and clothes and we call them bad for being that useless while we champion the firms that sell the over priced items. One can easily now see why the AMA, defense contractors, infrastructure firms and banks are so strongly GOP in their political backing as the GOP is the party that panders to their subsidies. The horrible government through the IRS can get you for tax evasion but that same government can make you a billionaire selling goods. I wish I would have been bold enough to create a Halaburtan type firm about 12 years ago, but charging 3 times the cost of delivering the meals was not something I was taught to learn to live with.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 7, 2015 6:11:52 GMT -6
Why Byrce? Because our federal govt is very corrupt that is just a fact. Has been for long,long time yet we as people sit back and allow it to happen as some see it as just part of doing business. We we allow people to get PAC money and other dealings take place which I could name and show many things that add up to a lot of money.
Bryce you seem to think I want to do away with welfare? I do not I want far less fraud in it and many other fed govt programs. I am concerned that the number of people getting federal assistance has risen in the last 10 years .
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Post by trappnman on Jan 7, 2015 10:17:24 GMT -6
facts again? what exactly is your evidence that the govt as a entity, is corrupt
and please, no guy next store stories
you should be concerned, as t5o why assistance is growing- there IS a reason-
and that reason is that the middle class is no longer them idle class- the FACT that the rich are getting richer, and everyone else is not IS that very reason.
and WHY are the rich getting richer? because they not only play with a stacked deck, they make the rules for the game.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 7, 2015 13:17:41 GMT -6
So you believe that our government is the only corrupt aspect of our society? Well why not free those 3 million incarcerated in our jails and prisoners that committed crimes against people and businesses that have nothing to do with our government. Why do we deal with fraud at the government level? I am of the belief is that we see so much of each day in our daily lives and where we work that we let slip by that we do that with government as well. When you allow money to be the major factor in who gets elected then why do we not suspect that those with the monies get greased real well. The crumbs we send out in food stamps and heat payments is to just keep the lessor citizens pacified enough so that real change and exposure don't occur. From my experience working with colleges, schools, municipalities, townships etc. it is not just a federal thing but the feds are easy targets because we don't see these persons every day. We have created a system by which patronage and issuing of contracts etc. is not even unethical anymore let alone illegal.
Bryce
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