Is common sense in our youth going away?

[trappincoyotes39]

We hear of many young people who have their whole lives in front of them and many who are in a spot light of some sorts decide to keep making very poor decisions. here is just another example of such.

A former coach and family friend of the Howard Bison running back who was one of two suspects fatally shot during an attempted robbery in Texas says Terrence Neal Tusan was a "good kid" and student.

Tusan, 22, was killed on Sunday at a Denton, Texas, apartment complex. Denton police say five people were involved in some sort of altercation during the home-invasion robbery.

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Howard running back Terrence Tusan was one of two suspects killed Sunday in a home-invasion robbery at a Denton, Texas, apartment complex.
"He was a good kid," Clarence Nevels, a former coach and mentor to Tusan, told the Denton Record-Chronicle. "He had good grades and was just down at AT&T Stadium for Thanksgiving Day Madness Youth Football speaking to students about believing in themselves."

Tusan, who was at home on holiday break from the Washington D.C., school, was killed along with 18-year-old Jakobi Dmon Gipson.

Police say three men forced their way into an apartment and gunfire broke out, leaving two suspects dead and two residents wounded. The third suspect fled and reportedly remains at large.

Nevels, who said he knew Tusan for 15 years, told the Denton newspaper that Tusan didn't have a criminal history and wasn't known to be associated with drugs.

"You have to wonder, what would be the purpose to throw his life away?" Nevels said, according to the Record-Chronicle's report.

Tusan, a junior for Howard, had 331 rushing yards with two touchdowns this season as a backup running back, including a 70-yard TD in a 38-25 loss to Rutgers.

Police recovered two guns, one belonging to a victim and another belonging to a suspect. Police haven't specified who opened fire.

"Terrence was the only child [his mother, Donna Tusan] had left, and now he is gone, too," said Nevels, who the newspaper reported was speaking on behalf of the Tusan family. "We just want to ask anyone looking into this incident to investigate further."

[trappnman]

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

[trappincoyotes39]

Yep sad and scary I am glad my kids have common sense and respect it has been taught to them from an early age and we have what I call a no B.S. Zone in our house. tell the truth at all cost no matter what or the consequences will be FAR greater.

[PamIsMe]

Every generation says that about the newest crop of kids. For every "bad" kid there are a dozen good ones we never hear about. Good very seldom makes news, and bad gets blown way out of proportion.


We're becoming a nation of very negative thinkers.
Pretty sad situation and not a good example to set for our kids.

Pam

[trappnman]

that quote by the way, is attributed to Plato

[trappincoyotes39]

Pam,my wife works in a school she sees it daily and it has gotten worse through the years, no doubt about that.

Kids are offshoots of their parents in many ways, that can be good or bad.

It is more than just a generational thing. People make bad decisions in life no doubt, it seems more people are making more grave decisions than years ago.

[trappnman]

I drove school bus in the 60s and 70s for 12 years-

the kids today are the same-its a fact every generation thinks they were the last "good" generation and the kids today....

just life folks, nothing more

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman drive that same school bus today and tell me after 10 more years. Kids are doing far more on school buses today than back in the good old days

Many of them have lost the sense of right and wrong and respect to adults and staff of public schools. You think private schools have near the discipline issues as public? No way. I have a cousin she has taught at a catholic school for 17 years and she has far less issues because their parents are paying good money for such education.

Much is social issues but some is the fact kids just do not respect adults near as much today. Lots come from things they read,watch and comprehend in today's world.

This football player had everything going his way and one grave decision cost him big, wonder why he did such? Wonder why many more do such today as well? HS and yes college kids because their mentality is yet to be fully matured.

[trappnman]

I live next to a school- I see the same kids today, as I saw 30 years ago

both the good and the bad

(ps, half the kids went to catholic schools on my route- don't tell me how they are any different than any other kid)

[bblwi]

Why are you blaming the kids or chastising them when you state it is a parent thing? If you believe that then the issue started when those 35 year olds were 4, 5, 6 or 7 and maybe their parents when they were 4,5 6 or 7 which takes us back to 1950 or so and we did not hear people complaining much about the idle and poor mannered kids then.
Just possibly the type of discipline used 60 years ago to demand respect instead of earn it caused modern day parents to want to try different avenues.
Also common sense does not always correlate highly to respect as a human behavior trait. There are a lot of highly respectful persons who are not well equipped to deal with the issues of the world from a common sense perspective and vice versa.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman they are different how would you pick up catholic private school kids on a public school bus?

Private schools have less discipline issues just factual.

You see them on the streets not in the schools.............

Seeing someone standing around for 10 minutes a day versus 8 hrs a day in a school setting when some do not want to be there or have an ax to grind two far different scenes.

It starts with the parents Bryce but those in HS should know better from right and wrong and are taught to show respect it is their choice to decided to follow the rules or not.

[bblwi]

We have a lot of private schools in our area in fact the school district I was a board member in for 10 years transported students to 5 different private schools at one time.
We see no difference in academic performance and very little difference in discipline issues between private and public schools and no difference at all on the buses that transport the students. When one figures in the fact that most private school students come from more conservative, wealthier and disciplined oriented families one would assume that there would be quite large differences in behavior, achievement and general attitudes toward education and school but we don't see that in WI at least not in our region of WI.

Bryce

[PamIsMe]

"...it has gotten worse through the years, no doubt about that..."

Maybe, I suppose it stands to reason that the more people in society, the more kids with problems.
One thing we didn't have to worry about years ago were drugs or kids born affected by their parent's use of them. There were always a few kids that acted out, but when I was in high school we never heard of the drugs around today. A beer party now and then and some egging of houses were the worst things that went on. Well, that and sex. Every year someone got pregnant, but the girl (not the boy) was forced to drop out of school. At least that's changed now and girls can finish school.

My friends that went to Catholic school talk about being hit with rulers and sitting in a corner with gum on their noses. They were afraid of the nuns. At least I never had a teacher I was afraid of. The worst thing in our public schools was to get sent to the Principal's office and for your parents to get called, never happened to me or friends though :-)

cheers,
Pam

[trappnman]

as Bryce said, all the private school kids, are entitled to "free" busing- at least that is how it is there

how they act outside of school is the point, is it not?

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce how does that work out in liability? Did they pay your district for transportation cost? Then the school district would be for hire? Private schools do not receive public tax revenues to operate so just wondering how at can all work out legally? using tax dollars to transport private school kids?

We'd can argue who does better or not in each school but on avg private schools have a lower student per teacher size meaning they get more time with the teacher on a daily basis, because they are private they can also follow their own plans and not be as effected by some silly non sense impacted by the political sides which public schools must follow due to those being tied to funding. Again going off of the people I know that work in both situations there is a clear difference in discipline in private versus public. A public school has to provide and education and a private school can ask you to leave at any time if your behaviors or actions do not fit the schools ethics.

My dad went to catholic school his entire life , me and my brother? not even a year parents could not afford it in those times. My dad never had many issues with the nuns as they knew they meant business so after a smack or two was all it usually took, my dad was far more fearful of getting in trouble and going home to his dad versus what any nun might do, as my grandfather worked very hard to pay for his 3 kids to attend catholic school. Grandpa could deal out far worse than most any nun.

[trappnman]

they do get public money- at least in MN-

but it would be too wearying to go off in another tangent-

lets get back to how you think your generation, was the last decent one-

cause funny thing- I thought it was mine.................

[trappnman]

TC- you seem to love taking singular events, and making them apply to every conceivable related event.

there are no facts, no nothing to support your conclusion private school kids are more behaved than public school ones.

[trappincoyotes39]

Sure it is Tman but wonder how the law would decide on the busing issue? Using public tax dollars to transport private school members?

Tman my generation? I wasn't even talking just mine but the last 15 years has changed far more school shootings and far more issues in schools than years back again that is just facts, it has nothing to do with me per say.



Again you feel No difference those I know that have taught for years in both environments see some difference. I went to a very rough junior HS in the old part of town and demographics played into it, but by the laws and busing policy I went to a school that was further away between the two junior HS at that time, that was the school district to decide that issue. Those two years where the worst I saw from discipline stand point from students towards teachers. I can tell you what I saw happen there happened little to none at a private school or those parents would be asked to get their kids leave and never come back.

Tman the HS I graduated from had 1,200 plus students 9-12 grades for the most part a safe school sure fights happened but nothing major, we where allowed to bring guns to school, never had a shooting incident because of a firearm for many years. Now the police have a FT officer at this HS and he has an office on the school grounds.

A town up the road has the same and they have 650 students total in that HS.

To say things haven't changed in 30-40 years? really? They are the same? yet police feel it a NEED to hire and put FT officers at schools?

[trappnman]

yes TC, I feel no difference just like you FEEL there is.

[bblwi]

In our case we did not own the school buses or hire the drivers. We negotiated contracts with a provider that transported for 3 districts within our area. The private school children were then covered under the liability insurance the bus transportation firm purchased, just as if they would cover other non students who rode at certain times, special trips, sporting events etc. In WI there are separate (were) bus transportation aid funds for districts. Some of those funds did go to private schools to assist in covering transportation costs. We did not transport students outside of our district. If the students were going say to an outside district private school we could haul say a group of students to a school or common drop off place and a parent or some other arrangement could be made to transport the students to the end point school. This was common for those going to the private high schools as they were a considerable distance from our district. So in WI taxpayers did support private education at some levels long before all this voucher BS that is a political issue instead of an educational issue. We have had all but one of the private schools in our district close over the last 15 years and thus now most parents car pool their kids to the private schools. Vouchers are a real polarizing issue here in WI but in reality they are merely a protest issue for those that want to get money back for making a choice. Even with vouchers the average private school can not exist long in our current environment. Vouchers give parents a break they don't really add any monies to the school system unless there is a large increase in enrollments and that is not taking place in our region.

Bryce