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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 28, 2014 14:34:14 GMT -6
I would disagree with the private school issue though. We have a Catholic Church that is doing so well in fact they offered to allow any child in the parish a "golden ticket" that if you could get your child there each day they would allow them to attend the catholic school free of charge and any donation one could afford is good enough.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 28, 2014 15:39:26 GMT -6
Yep kids are doing the same things as 20-30 years ago. www.myfoxdfw.com/story/27671615/3-arrested-for-killing-dallas-mom3 arrested for killing Dallas mom Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on gmailShare on emailShare on printMore Sharing Services 111 Posted: Dec 19, 2014 11:52 AM CST Updated: Dec 19, 2014 5:12 PM CST By: myfoxdfw.com StaffCONNECT DALLAS - Three men are now behind bars for the death of a Dallas woman killed while waiting to pick up her son. Irma Martinez was shot Monday night while sitting in her parked car in the 1700 block of Greendale Drive in Pleasant Grove. Police said two men approached her, robbed her and killed her. The 49-year-old had been waiting for her son to finish a Dallas Police Explorers Program meeting at a friends' home. Police on Friday announced the arrest of 19-year-old John Paul Manuel, 26-year-old Antwan Tovar and 18-year-old Terrance Brown. The break for police came when the three men were first arrested for child sex trafficking and arresting officers began connecting dots on the type of car they were in -- the same type seen leaving the Martinez murder. Detectives checking ads on an adult website found women meeting men for sex at cheap motels. Police pulled two underage girls from the sex trade who were being prostituted, police say, by the same three men involved in the murder. The men were stopped in a car that matched witness descriptions and officers found a gun that is believed to be the murder weapon. Manuel also admitted his involvement, police said. All three men now face capital murder charges. Martinez' funeral was Friday afternoon and her body will be returned to her native Honduras.
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Post by bblwi on Dec 28, 2014 19:09:10 GMT -6
Thirty years ago there were 180-200 million US citizens we are up about 110 million so there will be more homicides even if the percentage is lower. What was the homicide rate per 100k 30-40 years ago as compared to today? I don't know off hand. Plus the post you copied and pasted is about 3 adults not children as we think of them so as trajic and defenseless as their act was it is not germane to the original post which was about common sense in today's youth. Also common sense does not necessarily correlate with less homicide. Common sense is about being able to understand life issues it is not a behavioral trait.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 28, 2014 19:23:15 GMT -6
Bryce 18 and 19 by law are adults but to many they are still children....... Their mindset for that age is alarming to say the least compared to,years ago on violent crimes by such age groups. Interesting read I found online: www.sagepub.com/upm-data/60294_Chapter_23.pdfI feel common sense is practical in these issues, common sense kept me out of trouble as a teen and young adult, while at times I skirted the line. Knew where that line was because of common sense. It can tell you to learn from your mistakes and also will tell you of I do A,B, or C X,Y,Z can be my consequences for such actions and give pause before entertaining such ideas.
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Post by bblwi on Dec 28, 2014 21:12:00 GMT -6
It still makes little sense to me to lead a post on children and then post about adults killing people. There is no real base to what points you are trying to convey. Respect, common sense etc. probably does not correlate highly to violent crime rates. We should compare homicide rates per 100K over time and you can pick the era(s) that you feel the respect levels and common sense levels were the highest and see how the homicide rates compare to those youth of today you are discussing.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 29, 2014 0:39:52 GMT -6
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 29, 2014 1:11:08 GMT -6
RE Public vs private schools. There again, it stands to reason public schools have problem kids, since private schools won't take them, or the handicapped or mentally challenged either. By law they have to go somewhere. The main reason the public schools in the south are so bad it that the middle class and rich kids go to private schools and their tax money does not get put into public schools. In many northern states property taxes help pay for public schools, not so in the south, very little property tax is assessed and what there is doesn't go to schools. Public School Financing and Performance: a State -Level ... www.udel.edu/johnmack/research/school_funding.doc · Web view The property tax funding ... The forced redistribution of property tax revenues from rich to poor ... The direct positive correlation between school taxes and An interesting conclusion: First, America’s public school systems are frequently criticized as wasteful and inefficient, and the high average SAT scores of some low-spending states are commonly cited as evidence that public schools cannot be improved with more funding. But states’ average SAT scores are largely driven by their participation rates, and correcting for participation, high-spending states do outscore low-spending states. States with high per-pupil spending generally outscore states with low per-pupil spending on the NAEP as well. Second, how states fund public education makes a difference. When funding is decomposed into federal, state, local property tax and other local (e.g., county) components, the dominant driver of NAEP performance is shown to be local funding. This finding supports the contention that local funding goes hand in hand with local accountability: communities that own and control their own schools tend to demand higher performance from them, and are likely to be more supportive of them in turn. Public school systems that are primarily dependent on state funding generally have lower average NAEP performances. Third, school system quality, indexed by NAEP performance, is correlated with higher property values generally; therefore all residents in a community benefit from strong schools. The direct positive correlation between school taxes and property values is also proved. This positive correlation between local tax per housing unit and property values suggests that most of America is under-investing in public education. ================ The only way to get to these kids who get into trouble at young ages is through good public education systems! Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 29, 2014 6:21:28 GMT -6
Ok Bryce.........
Pam of course overall crime is down, one reason in fact is we have more cops on the streets and we also have more people in prisons as well. Adding those two together translates into more criminals being caught and held, that is a part of lowering crime rates. OVERALL.
many feel the crack cocaine epidemic of the 80's caused much of the crime in the US to rise sharply, with that not being the drug of choice and being replaced by meth now and coupled with longer prison stays for people using or dealing meth that has helped as well.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 29, 2014 6:30:50 GMT -6
Most Americans under investing in education? That is a very bold statement and makes little sense in many areas of the US. Where they lack local or state funding the fed govt kicks in a larger portion. depending on where one lives dictates property taxes paid, the more affluent regions pay more than areas of lower income people.
More schools are becoming more" local" due to the cut backs by state and the fed govt as far as actual dollars go, they are good at mandates without funding them. Leaving the burden on the local people. More and more schools are becoming more locally funded and should have a larger voice in how things are administered at schools, less mandating by the govt entities............
One way to shift a population base is to rapidly increase their property taxes, it will change the dynamics of a population for sure.
For some areas it is not about the funding but how well they use the funding they get.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 29, 2014 6:34:57 GMT -6
The national avg per pupil spending in the US is 6,823.00 per student cost.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 29, 2014 10:34:48 GMT -6
lets stop the debate once and all-
thirty years ago, I knew a kid, went to catholic school btw, that killed his family with an axe. true story, happened when I lived in Rochester.
today, I know a kid that goes to a public school, and he hasn't killed his family-
ergo- kids today kill less, and public school kids overall kill less than private school ones.
case closed!
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Post by mmwb (Andrew Parker) on Dec 29, 2014 13:03:08 GMT -6
Anecdotal evidence has little value and even statistics can be fairly worthless when methodology, sample size, and generalizability of the population is considered. I think we are far and away more aware of the problems that have been around for millennia, then past generations were.
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Post by RShaw on Dec 29, 2014 14:48:14 GMT -6
Some people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post..........More for support than illumination.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 29, 2014 17:21:38 GMT -6
Ok Tman got it, all catholic schools kids are bad
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Post by bblwi on Dec 29, 2014 20:12:20 GMT -6
Using absolute dollars as a statement of too much money being spent per child is a very misleading way to say that we invest appropriately for education. There are other forms of investment other than dollars for education also. why not read "Who are the Smartest Kids in the World and How did they get that way" by Amanda Ripley. Ripley does not have an education background and is a journalist for the New York Times. She studied students, parents and teachers from several nations and wrote about her findings. We seem to look at education in the USA from a cost perspective instead of an investment or results perspective and that probably really limits our potential and also our breadth as far as offering results based education to all of our students.
If private schools were preforming at much higher levels then public schools there would not be as many losing students as there are. When you can screen and cast out at will and not achieve at much higher levels your system has more flaws then people would like to believe. Isolating youth from their peers so they don't have to interact with them does not raise their social IQs either.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 30, 2014 6:35:08 GMT -6
Bryce per student spending has been an issue for many for years , I do agree that per student spending in itself means little as it is what each district does with the money that makes the REAL difference, I have been staying that for along time. Social and economic factors play a very large role into the overall makeup of a student body and results as well, again those are just facts.
Private schools are loosing students because of cost being a major factor, one adds up the taxation for public education and adding in the cost to send your children to,private school,on top,of the public cost for some gets to be too large of a burden, specially as our economy went south and taxation has risen as well.
Those with a strong belief in private schools though make it a priority to find the means needed to send their children to such schools. Flaws in all schools Bryce yet we will agree to disagree on what one can learn at each style of school. Charter schools, religion based etc are all different forms of so called private schools and they all have a different philosophy on how and what is taught.
many schools teach for results hence the idea behind, no child /common core and many states are making up their own guidelines to fit each state and the issues they deal with on a more local needs assessment. Missouri will have their's in place by 2016. you must be careful on how you teach to results based testing or one can loose focus on the needs of each student in a class room. teachers become too focused on the testing and not teaching to the needs of each student.
No difference than home schooling which more people do today and I am not a big fan of such for reasons you mentioned like social,interaction and others but they have the right to do so. Their tax dollars keep going to the public education system though.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 30, 2014 6:46:20 GMT -6
home schooling is paid for with tax moneys at least in part
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 30, 2014 16:19:32 GMT -6
Tman fully understand that even though people decide to home school their tax dollars still go to their local school district.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 30, 2014 18:24:05 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 30, 2014 19:02:16 GMT -6
Not here your personnel property tax is heavy for schools and no credits or refunds for such.
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