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Post by bblwi on Dec 30, 2014 20:14:59 GMT -6
I agree on the different philosophies for the different types of schools but I believe that for the benefit of a culture and society that the base learning objectives, goals and results should be very, very comparable so that our societies benefit even though students and parents have several options available to educate their children. With vouchers and other tax payer supported initiatives the cost of private versus public has narrowed considerably. I have no problem with the different philosophies if it helps build a better citizen and we don't have strong evidence that is taking place. I know several good sports athletes in our area that broke training rules in the public schools they attended and were accepted into the private schools and on their teams so there is more compromising taking place than many would suggest.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 1, 2015 8:22:31 GMT -6
Sports? They took them on because they can add value to their team correct? Private schools have that freedom to do so. many private schools recruit HS kids for sports. many of me from WI,ILL and Minn would play and go to school at our catholic HS get a free ride just like a scholarship to a college. Wd had people in town that would house and feed them for the duration of the school year. They sure had some great teams no doubt, but ask the coaches at the public schools what they thought about that when they would get there butts kicked by them:)
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Post by bblwi on Jan 1, 2015 16:45:56 GMT -6
The coaches I know understand they have limitations and coach well with what they have and many don't want the prima donna attitudes that comes with the athletes and their parents. There is a reason many chose to teach and coach in the public school systems versus the private school systems and it was most times not about winning at any cost.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 1, 2015 17:15:39 GMT -6
Brcye then you live in a small minority because a cross the country there are plenty of clues that people put athletics in High Schools up there on the list and really doesn't matter big or small schools many play to win and do what is needed for such, while I do not agree with all the tactics used it takes place daily all across the country.
I know a guy that was a HS wrestling coach for 27 years and the stories he has told me through all those years, he retired in 2004 tells me not a lot has changed about the attitude to win at all cost some will do. he taught the kids many things about life and sports and competing but he had a limit many he was up against other schools and coaches that took that limit to,the outer edges.
Look at Texas HS and the money they spend on field and stadiums I know a guy that works and coaches at such a Texas school he is a QB coach only all he teaches are the QB's they run it like a college or pro style coaching program, he is paid IMO far too much for coaching but the people have no problems with it as that public school is rabid about football and they are accustomed to a winning program. So the money is raised and flows freely. happens all over the US. many AD's have more of a such fund than the schools themselves.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 1, 2015 17:18:35 GMT -6
This is a school 12 miles up the road home to 600 or so HS kids this field is artificial turf and they hold a college bowl game here every year. The cost? A lot of money but they raise and get a lot of money from private donors who have done well in pro sports.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 1, 2015 20:52:54 GMT -6
Yes we have a lot of youth related sports in our private schools but that does not mean people are flocking to send their children to these schools. Most of ours are religious private schools and they don't have the revenues to basically recruit at will to find good high school athletes. With 1-2 division 1 bound athletes from a sport each year at most from a high school most parents here realize that there are other priorities that come first. We have a combined private and public HS championship tournament system now and yes the privates do OK but they are not dominating as one might think they would, should or could.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 2, 2015 6:33:59 GMT -6
Bryce this photo is a public school not private. Where I grew up the catholic HS did a lot of recruitment for athletes and people took them in for the school year. In SD we had 3 boys very good basketball players all in one family they left the tiny town to go to rapid City to play ball for a private HS There dad wanted them to get more public exposure to maybe help them get better scholarships. The school had a long tradition of excellence in basketball.
While I agree many today do not dominate, it still doesn't stop them or public schools from searching out kids to play sports they do. here in Missouri No open enrollment so we have had parents buy other houses in another district because it afforded Johnny and Judy more exposure and more playing time at well known schools. We have also had many lie about their where abouts and they get caught at some point, no for academics but for sports this takes place! has for years and will continue to do so.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 2, 2015 23:26:45 GMT -6
You continue to find ways to denigrate the lower classes of our society for their dependence, laziness and lack of initiative and you continue to show posts about upper middle class successful families choosing to do the ME FIRST and be selfish about what they want and need and yet they are the winners and society builders in your mind? If so then you don't understand the northern European yeoman farmers who came as mostly peasants to settle where I live and how they held together to build a system that benefited all and not just a few. The US is about 14% Germanic background and about 2-3% Scandinavian. In WI we are about 52% Germanic and 24% Scandinavian and that ancestry shows up dramatically in our public support for education, opportunity, infrastructure etc.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 3, 2015 19:05:00 GMT -6
Bryce what are you talking about ? How is what I posted denigrating? good grief....... You see what you want to see in my post.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 3, 2015 22:32:48 GMT -6
You post about how you dislike those that don't follow to your thoughts of what success should be and then post and cut and paste articles that show how our society has gone to H in a hand basket and much of it coming from those that are 180 out from those that you continue to look down at. That is what I read into much of what you say. From your posts one would assume that very, very few in our nation actually measure up to your decrees of being a good citizen and also what belief systems they should adhere to as well.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Jan 4, 2015 7:44:53 GMT -6
I think the same TC- if those aren't your true thoughts, then your copys and pastes don't reflect that
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 4, 2015 9:21:54 GMT -6
What I posted shows that many put too much emphasis on sports on this thread, still trying to figure out your comments on this thread?
because I posted proof of such taking place years back and even today I am some how degrading people?
Your free to choose your beliefs as am I.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 4, 2015 10:09:42 GMT -6
YOU introduced all that- but when called out, you disengage with a "who, me?"
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 4, 2015 11:51:26 GMT -6
Ok Tman and Bryce ................
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Post by bblwi on Jan 4, 2015 17:55:09 GMT -6
You brought up the sports. I was trying to relate how your posts contradict your original points. You find fault with such a high percentage of US citizens that for me it is easy to review and see that whomever you want to harpoon on the next posts gets it. I guess you are just an equal opportunity citizenship basher for the most part. Living in a small isolated emotional and mental world does give one a very limited view of the value or lack of value of others based on your definitions. Tolerance is not an easy place to be when there is great diversity. It is always less complex to eliminate the majority that one does not find favor with and use them as excuses as to why the chosen few are not successful.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 4, 2015 18:10:57 GMT -6
Not a high percentage but the percentage that works the systems over you are correct on that. I Feel your still holding over from the post on welfare myself but so be it.
No one is successful without hard work and drive and focus.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 5, 2015 8:11:04 GMT -6
No one is successful without hard work and drive and focus
unless their daddy is rich
since the debate with you is who introduced sports- perhaps you should read this thread from the beginning. Of course sports is a red herring- but YOU laid down that trail
bottomline- you feel kids today (except of course your kids, and those in your church, etc) are worse than any generation- and I simply pointed out your words have been said and repeated, for 1000s of years-
EVERY generation feels as you do about the new generation- but its perception not fact
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Post by bblwi on Jan 5, 2015 8:30:05 GMT -6
"works the system" to me tells it all on much of your posts. Systems are created by all institutions be they private or public and yes human nature causes all of us to "use" or "milk" any and all systems to certain degrees. We also have to accept that our culture created these systems and many dis so for the good of their fellow man be they private and or public. To constantly bash those that are misusing the systems based on your narrow ideas of what constitutes the high road of citizenship and turn your head away from those that need no assistance and receive much speaks loudly to me as to what your is truly the message you believe and want to offer to us. I just don't choose to waste nearly as much emotional energy hating those that don't fit your mindset. That puts you right where they want you to be in their head instead of your own. Life is too short to find that much fault with that large of a section of our society.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 5, 2015 18:06:52 GMT -6
Tman irrational thinking. a never said my kids are perfect, never stated my church is perfect FACT. You came to that conclusion on your own. Bryce same thing sorry, I want as little waste of public funds as possible and to do that one needs to look at what is causing wasted funds top to bottom, I do not agree with some things because of the fraud and waste that is involved, some think that is OK because of the number of people it helps. So be it, when I was on the city council the finance officer told me early on you really look over the monthly bills and ask questions , prior to me being on the council I was told by this person they skimmed it quick and passed the bills. Some times there was mistakes this person would then have to bring back up at the next council meeting again because it was done in such a quick and glancing manner, I take the spending of tax payer dollars seriously. Every dollar saved is compounded down the road in future waste caught. To be used for other things. I believe in more local control, balanced budgets, freedoms of choice. I believe in many programs, but because they exists doesn't mean they cannot be better, some more so than others. Again all comes back to ones bias in life either way.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 5, 2015 23:01:03 GMT -6
I guess our major difference is you find public uses of funds the only place where you feel fraud, waste and misuse occur and that private sector and individuals are free to do as they please with their funds and wealth. Having done taxes for 40 years and budgets and audits for over 25 years I know that your assessment of the goodness of the private sector over government is extremely near sighted. The funny thing about all this as the laws that are on the books to minimize abuse, fraud and waste are established by government an institution by which you have written numerous posts saying is the real problem we have in the USA. No wonder you find the system so disheartening as the institutions you dislike due to their misuse and waste are the only ones that really work to stop abuse and fraud. What a conflictive thought process by which to live life. I am glad I have more tolerance and still feel that as a nation our glass is "half full" instead of half empty or less.
Bryce
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