I suppose more excessive force in Berkeley, Mo hey?

[trappincoyotes39]

Supposed kid pulls gun on law enforcement and now more of the same excessive force hey

[trappincoyotes39]

We have the mothers statement saying he didn't have a gun yet the video clearly shows such and what was retrieved was a fully loaded 9mm pistol betting with the suspect finger prints. so we riot again and this could have all been avoided. A shame but excessive force not at all. This is a rough area and things like this happen split second to decide to be shot or do the shooting.

[RdFx]

Ditto on 39 comments, also the boys mother said he was with his girl friend ! The video shows a male, maybe mama should have said boyfriend ! ALot of mothers of all colors figure their sons can do no wrong.

[trappnman]

TC. you seem unable to separate events.

until you are able to do that, you are part of the problem-

[trappincoyotes39]

Why then rioting over this case? it seems they will riot and lute over anything and much of the information in all cases has been false testimony and that is very dangerous in itself.

I just wonder what would people be saying without the clear video? Betting many would be jumping to the same conclusions as always as of late.

Again that area is a rough one for sure, law enforcement has a split second to make a decision many times be it with a gun, force or talking things out each situation is clearly its own unique experience.

[James]

Rioting and looting are bad, I agree, if that's your point.

Jim

[trappnman]

yes, I agree as well.

but that has nothing to do with the increased in excessive force by the police on an increasing scale.

yes, I would hate to have an event washed over, when video is clear and apparent

[trappincoyotes39]

Sure it does T,man they riot and lute because they feel the African American population is being unjustly treated or so they say............

The case in ferguson and Berkeley clearly have shown these cases where justified, yet the spin machine gets me all fired up and claim unjust treatment etc,etc.

I will guarantee both of these Missouri cases would have had the same outcome it they where white or Latino or any other color of skin.

Now would rioting and luting have taken place in either case if they where both white men laying dead?

Why or why not is the real question.............

[trappnman]

where are you seeing this "spin machine" that is claiming unjust treatment in these 2 cases?

all I see, is folks like you lumping everything into 1 package- on one hand- trust the video- on the other- photoshopped I guess

why haven't you started a white man protest? too weak of views? don't care enough? lazy?

[RShaw]

opinion letter sent to
THE TOWN TALK
Alexandria LA

Police officers killed
Does anyone remember Detective Melvin Santiago? He was a Jersey City police officer who was shot to death just a few months ago, on July 13th. Santiago was white. His killer, Lawrence Campbell, was black. Does anyone recall Barack Obama appearing before national television and calling for justice for Officer Santiago's family? Does anyone recall Eric Holder rushing to Jersey City to see that justice was done?
How about Officer Jeffrey Westerfield. He was a Gary, Indiana, police officer who was shot to death last summer on July 6th. Westerfield was white. His killer, Carl LeEllis Blount, Jr. was black. Where was Obama? Where was Holder?
Or Officer Perry Renn? He was an Indianapolis, Indiana, police officer who was shot to death just last summer on July 5th, the day before Officer Westerfield was killed. Officer Renn was white. His killer, Major Davis, was black. I don't recall any mention by Obama about the untimely death of Officer Renn. And, I doubt that Eric Holder rushed to Indianapolis to make sure justice was done. Or, maybe I just missed it.
Vermillion Parish Deputy Sheriff Allen Bares was gunned down by two men just last June 23rd in Louisiana. Deputy Bares was white. His two killers, Quintlan Richard and Baylon Taylor, were black. Was Obama outraged? Did Eric Holder rush to Louisiana to make sure that the family of Deputy Bares found justice?
Detective Charles Dinwiddie of the Killeen, Texas, police department was murdered by Marvin Lewis Guy, a black male. Officer Dinwiddie was white. This happened on May 11th, just a few months ago. I don't even recall seeing anything about that on the news. Certainly, the white citizens in Killeen didn't take to the streets to loot and burn businesses. Again, I don't recall any mention by Obama or Holder.
Then, there is Officer Kevin Jordan of the Griffin, Georgia, police department. He was gunned down just six months ago on May 31st. Officer Jordan was black. His killer, Michael Bowman, was white. This was a white man murdering a black police officer. Where was Jesse Jackson? Where was "The Reverend" Al Sharpton? Was there looting and burning on the streets of Griffin, Georgia? No. In fact, I don't recall hearing about this one in the news, as well. Why? You can draw your own conclusions.
Over the past 6 months, there have been five reported deaths of police officers by gunshot in the US. Of those, four were white officers who were murdered by black men. Blacks complain that white officers threat black men more aggressively on the street. You can draw your own conclusions on that one, as well.

[trappincoyotes39]

Because Tman protest are meaningless for the most part, political pressure gets things done and in the know far more as we have seen in just the past 6 weeks or so.

Rshaw of course many people do not know about these fallen officers protecting and serving, because there is no spin machine for police officers, they have little voice.

[bblwi]

Wow protests are meaningless? How soon we forget. During the Viet Nam War the protests changed the course of our society for almost a generation and it may be lingering yet today with all the anti institution vibes we still carry. Why don't you ask the Gold Star Mothers, Grand Parents etc. that had their sons, siblings, grandsons flags and caskets smeared with red paint, blood or urine if they feel that protests are meaningless. Fellow soldiers could not even where their dress uniforms to their friend's funerals if they were home to attend as they too would become targets of protests and protesters. Your memory is either very short or very selective.

Bryce

[trappnman]

prohibition, womens rights- all brought out by protest

stating protesting never changed anything, is silly and shows a complete lack of historical knowledge

the different here is this-

I say all murders are murders- whether committed by the police, or to the police

the other view here- is the police are so pure their shite doesn't stink, and even when they do commit murder, they are Godly in their innocence

as far as protests for cops- why aren't those saying none is occurring (obviously not true if one watches any news) out thier raising their voices and marching in support of cops?

seriously- why?

[trappincoyotes39]

Prohibition has booze runners and the govt was loosing out on taxation and so much being ran around the country and much of it was not good poison, Like the Mary Jane deal in a way, too much of it being moved and used might as well legalize it. Not so much protest but money to be made and people not following the laws.

Bryce not protesting but absurdity when one crashes a funeral or does the things mentioned. We hear all the time about peaceful protest making good, Yeh right all we get are things borderline illegal and riots and the such when it comes to so called protest. I do not call the things you mentioned protest, protest are done but many gain little traction until they turn to absurd or violent, then to curb such we make some rash decisions at times.


Definition of protest:
an expression or declaration of objection, disapproval, or dissent, often in opposition to something a person is powerless to prevent or avoid:

No where does protest mean or stand for the things mentioned, these are no protest at all but absurd actions carried out under the guise of the word protest. When a NFL coach protest a call he doesn't strike an official, doesn't spray him with paint, doesn't do it in manner as seen as rude or he will be fined or punished by the league, oh no what we have seen in the accounts listed are far from what I would call protest..........

[trappnman]

so in your mind- a coach protesting a play, is the same as protesting for civil rights?

interesting, but not unexpected

[trappincoyotes39]

Protesting is protesting correct? The key is why does any of it have to turn violent in order to achieve the so called desired results? Martin Luther King did so with words carefully selected and not luting and rioting and telling people to burn the B down.

Again where does protesting start and stop ? When does it become something other than "protesting".

[trappnman]

who is telling people to burn the town down?

who is advocating violent protest?

aren't those denying any protest (except in football games) anti American?

why would you be against the Constitution? or are you one of those that thinks the constitution is selective, not inclusive? or maybe just applies to WASPS?

[mmwb (Andrew Parker)]

Protest, the public advocacy of a cause, can be very beneficial. Protest, the promotion of hatred, vandalism, and violence, is not.

[bblwi]

So you are saying that the late 1960s and early 1970s was not about protesting? Throwing urine on a casket was not considered violence back in the day, lest you forget. It was disturbing the peace at best which is like littering on the street. Again you paint your own version of what a protest is and don't accept the commonly held beliefs of what protests be they violent or non violent are about or represent. If we followed your line of thought we should have let the British execute all the Boston Tea Party raiders and not initiated our war for independence. I don't advocate violence but in our history much progress has been made through bitter protests, many of which Steve related in his post. Most labor reform came with lots of blood, sweat and death as well.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman obvious you didn't get much live coverage of ferguson, big mikes mom has a new husband who kept repeating the night of the decision on video telling people to burn the B down. Is that protesting?

You can protest all you want until you start breaking the law which happens a lot lately. It starts as protesting and turns into other things.

Throwing urine or going to a funeral unwanted is not protesting in my book....... Believe me if someone did that to my family member they wished they hadn't . I would do some off own protesting then.

Anymore with aids and other diseases urine throwing would be against the law.