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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 28, 2014 3:26:32 GMT -6
"...protest are done but many gain little traction until they turn to absurd or violent..."
Isn't that what's happening now? Seems like the only way to get any attention these days.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 28, 2014 7:25:07 GMT -6
Exactly Pam..........
But what attention does it draw from the majority watching ?
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Post by trappnman on Dec 28, 2014 7:40:35 GMT -6
I know a guy that broke the trapping laws.
therefore, we must speak against all trapping
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 28, 2014 8:13:15 GMT -6
Tman your comparison is a weak one........
The guy breaking the trapping laws are not in the spotlight, those protest are! meaning the entire state of Missouri News stations where there waiting on the verdict by the grand jury and national news as well, it turned for so called protesting to rioting and luting in No time flat and millions and millions for to see and hear this guy chanting over and over again burn this B down. if you think that doesn't carry more impact than the guy getting a wildlife citation for breaking a trapping law then so be it.
perception is reality in the media and they had no choice but to show what was taking place live. people will form views on such. What starts out as so called peaceful protest turn ugly in a hurry many times, not all the time but if these protest and rally's are on key button issues or any real size to them they will be covered by the media and the actions speak louder than words once it hits the air waves........ Just human nature..........
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 28, 2014 8:15:52 GMT -6
Hey how many heard of the protest in Dubuque,Iowa over the ferguson issue? Yeh that is what I thought not many because they did not riot or lute, means little to the news. many communities have had protest since the ferguson issue, we haven't heard of many of these unless your a local because unless they escalate into something the news feels no real need to cover them except for a paragraph on the local newspapers.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 28, 2014 9:17:53 GMT -6
Tc- you seem to be under the impression, even though you were in direct words told you were wrong- that those actually believing there is increasing excessive force by many police forces, that we (I) condone violent protest.
therefore- you condeem all protests.
but back to the point- in which, although one wonders sometimes, you brought up another shooting- offering that as proof all cop killings are justified.
why are you unable to differentiate between events? is your world solid black and white? there can be nothing but absolutes? because that is how your posts reflect your thinking
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 28, 2014 9:44:06 GMT -6
No I say protest away but it seems in this day and age that unless violence comes from such or massive numbers no one really cares, meaning much of it falls on deaf ears so is this really the best way to handle such? Knowing much of it will turn into something of a very negative nature for the cause?
your trapping reference would be 2,000 trappers go to protest the state capital to try and insist on change of a newly passed regulation many do not like, they get there and then they start spraying fox urine or skunk essence on near by people, is that going to have a positive or negative impact on the trappers cause?
You asked who said, burn this B down and it has been reported as such so what good can come from it? Did anyone really think the night of the verdict was going to be non violent and peaceful? people,holding hands and lighting candles? Nope. The riot and luting people stole the spot light from the real protestors which where far less in nature by late night.
Sime want to post fingers and say well the law enforcement was excessive, they had to be because the outcome was predetermined and yet they still couldn't get a real handle on this uses taking place.
If I am trying to make change and following the laws, I could careless if they had the army out there as long as I am abiding by state and federal laws, I will protest in a lawful manner.
Or would they be better off sitting down with the people who can make change happen and lobby for something better?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 29, 2014 20:14:49 GMT -6
Fitting shirt for some
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Post by trappnman on Dec 30, 2014 7:06:46 GMT -6
exactly the type of cop that should be flipping burgers, not running around with a badge and a lic to kill
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 30, 2014 18:04:18 GMT -6
I do not see him flipping burgers anytime soon So his beliefs and his shirt translates into a license to kill? Hum............. For their pay and what they put up with, be glad you have law enforcement that over all does a great job at protecting the people................
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Post by trappnman on Dec 30, 2014 18:29:05 GMT -6
I love law enforcement that protects and serves.
they do a good job, and kudos to them, I would not want their job
I despise bullies, operating under the guise of law enforcement
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 1, 2015 20:56:07 GMT -6
CAMDEN, N.J. (AP) — Several police officers formed a human net to catch a woman and her two young daughters as they jumped from their burning home in southern New Jersey.
Camden County police said the fire on Atlantic Avenue in Camden was reported around 4:15 p.m. Wednesday, when residents notified two officers who happened to be on patrol in the area. They told them the woman and her children, ages 4 and 7, were trapped on the home's second floor.
Two other police officers soon arrived at the home, and all four gained entry by kicking open the front door. They tried to find the family, but thick smoke and heavy flames hampered their efforts.
One officer collapsed and was helped out of the home as another officer shouted for the mother to take her children to a rear window, police said.
Six other county officers who had responded to the scene circled beneath the window and locked arms, creating a human net. They encouraged the mother and her daughters to jump and safely caught all three.
The woman and her children remained hospitalized in critical condition Thursday with undisclosed injuries. Their names were not released.
One officer was treated for severe smoke inhalation and was released from a hospital Thursday.
"I'm extremely proud of the heroic actions taken by officers who responded to this fire," Chief J. Scott Thomson said. "They risked their lives without hesitation to make sure that the children and their mother got out, and because of their actions, this family is alive today."
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 1, 2015 20:57:30 GMT -6
I guess that comes back to the shirt saying "my job is to save your butt"
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Post by PamIsMe on Jan 2, 2015 1:37:21 GMT -6
"So his beliefs and his shirt translates into a license to kill? Hum..........."
It's the kind of A T T I T U D E that causes trouble where there may not need to be any.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 2, 2015 6:27:37 GMT -6
Not at all, it is a shirt saying , I do what I do for the betterment of my community,so quit lumping all law enforcement into one bag. There are bad apples in every profession not just law enforcement. Are jobs are to protect and serve and this shirt reminds all of the work we do. being a public servant be it in the business world or govt world is not easy dealing with the public at all.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 2, 2015 8:33:52 GMT -6
its not easy dealing with the public at times, agreed- but at the same time- dealing with the public is the main priority of the job. why would you become a cop, if you aren't comfortable and have the temperment, to do that?
and if you don't like dealing with the public- then don't get a job at the lic dept
there has been one person here, that HAS been lumping all law enforcement into the same category- and that's you TC
everyone else has stated over and over to look at each incident-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 2, 2015 16:22:43 GMT -6
I wasn't chastising after reading my post sorry if that was the inference to quit lumping, talking second person as the shirt:).
Not at all am I Lumping, I know every profession has good and bad, I just look for the highest majority of the good!
I do not see the officer in ferguson as bad, sadly many do in this country.
I hold high our military, law enforcement, fire and ambulance services in this country.
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Post by PamIsMe on Jan 3, 2015 2:33:42 GMT -6
"I hold high our military, law enforcement, fire and ambulance services in this country"
As do I, but that does not mean that there are individuals who are in those services that shouldn't be. Those individuals should be always held accountable for their actions. I know a couple of them. One example is our small town's now former police chief. He got away with drunk driving and sideswiping several cars on Main St 30 years ago because the officer on duty was afraid to insist the "Chief" take a test and by the next morning he was sober. Over the past few years the Chief has gotten away with defrauding the department and involving some unknowing officers in a back door security scheme for cash using department equipment and vehicles. Mainly because the good ole boys trusted him. He's finally gotten caught, but retired just as the investigation started. It's cost our little town close to $200,000.00 for the investigation. Since he now has terminal cancer will probably not live long enough to get the trial and punishment he deserves. Heck, he was even elected President of the Police Chief Association for a couple terms. He was a jerk 30 years ago and still is.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 3, 2015 7:41:43 GMT -6
Pam again your arguing on the minority not the majority, you think bad cops is something new in the last 5-10 years? . The ferguson issue, NY Issue and now the Berkeley,MO issue. What do these have to do with bad cops? The rally cry is because of 3 dead African Americans so we break it down to all 3 breaking the law and one fought an officer, one pulled a gun on an officer, the 3 rd was not going to allow them to arrest him, he stated this stops today. From these 3 cases some have used it as a rally cry for bad officers to be pulled off the streets and these men standing trial for murder? The evidence is there in each case yet we had riots and people,calling these guys bad cops in each and every case.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 3, 2015 7:55:39 GMT -6
if you don't think NY was "bad cops" then your claim you look at things fairly is just false
if I lived in NY I'd protest against the murder-
yet you- always see the cops as angles with shite that don't stink
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