RShaw
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Post by RShaw on Oct 15, 2012 22:29:40 GMT -6
And when you are laying on your death-bed, will you still believe the same way? Muttering aloud, oh yeah fungi, here I come.
You consider yourself a free thinker. Is this end all there is?
In my opinion, it requires much more faith to be an athiest when all the evidence cleary points to the existance of God.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 16, 2012 3:01:05 GMT -6
Question for atheists?
Do you believe that you have a soul?
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Post by trappnman on Oct 16, 2012 6:52:49 GMT -6
believing in a soul and an afterlife, makes us feel warm and fuzzy
we are born, we eat, shite and die- thats life brothers
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Post by FWS on Oct 16, 2012 9:40:39 GMT -6
Sure, why not. Religious type have this need to use fear as their recruiting tool, along with the promise of a posthumous reward. If we do yours has a big black market on it from all those years you were an employee of the Federal government.
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Post by redeagle on Oct 16, 2012 11:19:10 GMT -6
I have read all of the posts so far without making comment. From the appearance of things, it seems that the concept of "religion" that is being discussed in this thread refers to "western" religion (Judaeo/Christian). No one on here has mentioned Islam. I would be curious to read input from you guys on this aspect of religion. Interestingly, we who live in this country, in this culture, have the liberty to discuss various slants on western religion, and all opinions are tolerated. I dare say that if we were living in the Muslim world and spoke similarly about the religion of Islam, our heads would roll. I know that in times past, western religion was imposed on indigenous peoples at the threat of death. Times have progressed and this practice no longer occurs. However, the same cannot be said of Islam. Anybody want to jump into this one?
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Post by PamIsMe on Oct 16, 2012 12:00:05 GMT -6
Society in the US has come a long way over the years as far as accepting other's beliefs or non-beliefs. Up until the 60's Catholics and Protestants were at complete odds with one another, and both were united in their mistrust of those of Jewish faith. I knew a girl whose parents completely disowned her and refused to come to her wedding when she married a Catholic and had to sign a paper agreeing to raise any children Catholic. Far as I know they never talked to her again. Such a shame for them all, but it wasn't that unusual in those days for families to be split apart with inter-faith marriages. My own grandmother said she'd rather have not been born, than born Catholic.
In the 70's the Beav and I (who were raised as Lutherans) were asked to be God-parents to a Catholic baby. It was ok with the Priest as long as one other god-parent was also a Catholic. All 3 of us did the duty. That would have been unheard of in the 50's.
The Catholic and Protestant churches (in my mind anyway) have really evolved and become more accepting and respectful of each other. Now we have marriages with a combination of Priest, Minister or Rabbi officiating together. We're become truly a melting pot of mixed religion marriages. In Alaska (and maybe some other states) anyone can ask a friend to legally officate their wedding without regard to their specific religions. Both my daughter and son-in-law have officiated at weddiings of their friends.
We probably won't live to see it, but I think it is possible that some day even religions such as Islam may eventually evolve and become more tolerant of freedom of speech and thinking. It seems to me that people who are coerced into religious doctrines will eventally come to rebel and realize that the world is a big place and there is more than one way to keep their faith without fear and hate of other religious beliefs being the motivating factors.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by PamIsMe on Oct 16, 2012 12:20:56 GMT -6
"You consider yourself a free thinker. Is this end all there is?"
By the time I was 10 or so I had been to 8 funerals of relatives and friends of my parents. My own Dad died when I was 11. I laid my hand on his cold hand and knew without doubt that he was gone forever except in my memories. Before my religious Mom died at age 88, we visited the cemetary where my Dad and step-Dad were buried one on each side of her grave plot. I couldn't help myself and asked her since she believed in the afterlife how she would handle meeting up again with both of the loves of her life. She looked at me and then said, "Well, that doesn't happen!"
Yes, I do think that if there is a concept of heaven or hell, it's right here on earth. Bad things happen to good people and vice versa, and when you die, you're just dead. Gone, but not forgotten, until everyone who remembers you is also gone. It's not a discomforting thought to me, unlike my Mom, who good as she was all her life, was still a little worried whether she would enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I like the thought of being cremated and my ashes scattered by loved ones in a body of water somewhere that they will remember me when they pass by it.
666, mark of the biblical beast, guess we'll find out if the rapture comes, yes?
Cheers, Pam
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 16, 2012 13:32:56 GMT -6
Well I hope to hell those of you that think its all over don't get your wish.
Islam sucks.
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Post by James on Oct 16, 2012 15:26:07 GMT -6
"Well I hope to hell those of you that think its all over don't get your wish."
Funny how everyone who believes in an afterlife also believes that they will be going to the good place. Do you suppose any of them could be wrong?
Jim
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Post by FWS on Oct 16, 2012 15:57:16 GMT -6
Sure, probably most of them. Imagine their surprise when they are standing outside the pearly gates and are told ,"Sorry, but all you did trying to get in here doesn't count because you only did it to try to get in here".
So they fall straight to Hell, which is flat, and has nothing but cornfields as far as the eye can see.
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Post by C1972 on Oct 16, 2012 16:20:02 GMT -6
Question for atheists? Do you believe that you have a soul? Nope. Organized religions are nothing more than glorified gangs who prey on people who are compelled to believe in something so badly that they'll believe the most outrageous tales spun by men. Walk on water © Turn Water Into Wine © and so on. Do any of you theists believe in Apollo, Zeus, Thor, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Buddha, Mohammad etc.? I bet you don't. Please explain to me why those gods don't matter but yours does? Just because a book tells you to??? The bible was written by man FOR man. Individuals can be extremely intelligent but people as a collective can completely ignorant and gullible. No one truly knows how we got here, therefore, the masses ALWAYS need something to believe in to keep some semblance of civility amongst themselves. That's worked out well hasn't it? Pfft.
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Post by Jarhead620 on Oct 16, 2012 16:35:17 GMT -6
RShaw says:
"Perform all the good works you like. Without Jesus, that won't get you there."
So you are saying that only believing Christians will be awarded with an afterlife. Do you really believe that?
You do know that you are leaving a significant majority of the human species out, right. That doesn't seem quite fair to me. Or even logical.
Larry
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Post by James on Oct 16, 2012 17:36:49 GMT -6
"Sure, probably most of them. Imagine their surprise when they are standing outside the pearly gates and are told ,"Sorry, but all you did trying to get in here doesn't count because you only did it to try to get in here"."
You never know what these raging "look out for myself only" conservatives will face at the heavenly gates. Maybe Jesus himself will bar the gates, asking why they should be allowed in when they ignored so many of his words.
"Love thy neighbor as thyself?' he'll ask. "Why didn't you listen to that?"
"Do unto the least of these as you would do unto me," he'll say. "Why did you ignore that?"
"What about my parable about the Good Samaritan," he'll demand. "Were you asleep when they read that part of the Bible?"
Jim
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Oct 16, 2012 17:49:49 GMT -6
James you cant quote the gospel.
Most of the catholics that I run with only want ot talk about the old testament.
There isnt any way if the good lord were alive today that there would be a health care debaqte
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Post by James on Oct 16, 2012 18:06:02 GMT -6
Well, I can't claim to be much of a Christian, but I really admire and try to follow most of the stuff in the Gospels.
It's a shame a lot of alleged Christians feel otherwise.
Jim
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 16, 2012 18:13:05 GMT -6
Imagine life with NO religon? Better or worse?
I would think far worse...........
Also we just have a feelings because that is the way we evolved? WE have laws based off of religon, religon was around alot longer than our laws correct?
If you choose you are born, live and die and nothing else happens then so be it, millions of others do not. What FWS finds gratifying and a deeper sense by looking at his history, many people find the same through religon, they aren't dumb or lemmings because they have a God and or Jesus in their life, religon to many is as much a part of their daily routine as anything else. Can YOU 1972 look at someone and tell if they have a religon they believe in? I think not.
My grandmother is 92 and doing well, a devout catholic attends daily mass and I can't remember outside of sickness here missing a Sunday mass, she is as normal as most and more sane than many. Her being strong in faith doesn't keep her or YOU from anything.
1972 you post as if though YOU have the answer to religon and it not being anything of meaning, yet your a democrat? I find that odd?..............
The same guy that took advanatge of illegals for gain and profit and said, I would do it all over again? How is that non religon working for you towards the thoughts and attitude towards others?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 16, 2012 18:26:03 GMT -6
we are born, we eat, shite and die- thats life brothers
Tman you speak as if YOU know this to be FACT? You don't unless you have spoken with the dead. YOUR belief is such others have a different belief system about life here and the after life.
You have your choice and people with A religon have theirs, I thought we are to let each person decide that for themselves? You have NO facts as to eat, shite and die as I don't have FACTS I will be going to the after life on a positive note.
Religon cost you nothing in it's basic form except time, people burn it in many ways and some choose to burn it on a premise of the after life so what? Each to there own.
I think religon scares some people, as they don't want to have to live by a set of rules without a gurantee, again fine but those that do why bash on them? Why state as a matter of FACT their is nothing but the soil for all of you?
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Post by trappnman on Oct 17, 2012 6:32:15 GMT -6
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Post by claythomas on Oct 17, 2012 11:39:30 GMT -6
Do you really want to follow at God that is, as the story goes, the preeminent minipulator?
He supposedly gave me life that I obviously didn't ask for, but he'll make sure I burn if I don't follow his ways. WTF
Do you really want to follow the preeminent stereotyper?
Your are a sinner because many generations ago Adam and Eve sinned, therefore you need to follow me in order to get to the promise land.
A lot of talk about good deeds and gettin points for those. It would stand to reason that if there were such a system, it is all in your attitude. If your doing them for points...you don't get them.! If you do them out of goodness....well maybe.
I wonder of those of you that say you have strong faith, has it ever really been tested?
You...YOU are in controll of virtually every aspect of your life if you an adult except your health. I don't need faith if I loose my job, or my wife leaves or anything of the sort.
Have doctors tell you that your 3 year old only son has Muscular Dystrophy and then tell me about your faith.
On the other hand while going to school to be a Wildlife Biologist, my advisor was an Evolutionary Biologist and I learned a lot about evolution. SOme I buy and some I think is pure shite.
Just can't get past the idea that even if a critter did evolve from another how did they reproduce.
Or the idea that there is a missing link. BS. There would need to be dozens if not thousnads of "missing" links.
Carry on
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Post by C1972 on Oct 17, 2012 14:31:59 GMT -6
Well said Clay. I don't have all the answers, as none of us do, although organized religion is a blight on humanity IMO. It's divided more than it's coalesced. That's a fact.
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