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Post by ohiyotee on May 22, 2008 10:12:04 GMT -6
do you rig them inline or loop the chain around them?
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Post by 17HMR on May 22, 2008 11:05:11 GMT -6
Inline for the few I have, still havent made my mind up if they help or not though.
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Post by bobwendt on May 22, 2008 11:13:25 GMT -6
the thing is, help what? strong traps prevent pull out risk, shorter chains ( including just the extra 3-4" the shock spring is) self correct the shoulder or leg ijnurys from lunges. but they add weight, another place to collect mud and grass, another $2 a trap and more crap to bury. so my vote, it`s a wash at best ,and at worst a negative. as to the original question, the good coyote proof ones go in line. the chincy door spring ones are looped in
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 22, 2008 11:41:32 GMT -6
I find the best benefit of them is with stake movement on longer chains and longer check laws. The JC Connor ones are top of the line and can make a nice solid platform for the loose jaw. I have some with them and many without, but in muddy conditions and longer chains I do find a benefit in that aspect.
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Post by ohiyotee on May 22, 2008 12:06:46 GMT -6
I like long chains and lots of swivels ( three double crunch proofs per trap) i just order 8 dozen heavy duty from jc, i just want to try them out. I think it will be just that much better of a rig. we will see. I'm leaning toward the in line , but down the road do the springs rust and become an escape possibility . I mean after all that is what is between you and the coyote.
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Post by robertw on May 22, 2008 12:57:49 GMT -6
Even if the spring breaks in multiple places it is not going to come apart.
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Post by trappnman on May 22, 2008 17:07:23 GMT -6
5/22/08
And I agree with Bob for the 3rd time today. Is he getting mellower or am I?
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Post by romans117 on May 22, 2008 17:31:11 GMT -6
My experience has been they help with specific traps setups. Center swiveled offset traps they aren't needed IMO. I used them on my monty's that were swiveled off the side of the trap. IMO prevented cut feet which created pull outs and undue damage to the feet. The offsets eliminated the foot loosing blood circulation and the center swivel greatly reduced the sideways movement. I too like the built in loose jaw resting place. I put them in line and used sleepy creek. I was worried abouta yote or big tom bending the t's but have not seen one iota of bending or contortion which I worried about after seeing the JC Conners springs thickness. Overkill for my coon sized yotes out here....
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on May 22, 2008 18:52:38 GMT -6
I don't think they are worth the effort, in my mind they just add weight to pack up the hill to the cat saddle.
I don't stake any cat traps so in most cases there is some give, whether a rock or metal drag. Even cabled off to a tree or big brush they get in the branches and don't get a "shock" pull very often.
I've got a 1/2 dozen or so I tried but no more.
Joel
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Post by Stef on May 23, 2008 6:55:31 GMT -6
I love JC shocksprings. They aren't a piece of junk.... some like to haul rebars and don't complaint about rebar weight but complaint about weight of shocksprings Since I used them... I believe that I could hold some very large coyotes in very loose soil... "" like after the catch... I pulled up the rebars with my little finger "" I also believe that I should have lost some poor caught animals without them. ( that reminds me Steve's 1st lost cat in KS) I use long chain and won't be without them. I agree with Joel on dragged set up... most of the time... the brush will take care of the "shock" and it does about the same as a metal shock spring. Stef
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Post by CoonDuke on May 23, 2008 7:09:51 GMT -6
Stef, How long are your chains?
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Post by collins on May 23, 2008 7:32:14 GMT -6
I use JC's shock springs, and I noticed that I don't get much of a catch circle. Ussally they hit the spring hard a couple of times and for what ever reason seem to fight less.
Anyone else notice that? I'm running 12 inch chains.
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Post by trappnman on May 23, 2008 7:42:16 GMT -6
( that reminds me Steve's 1st lost cat in KS)
ouch-
who knows, a shock spring might have saved it, it might not of. But more likely, it was a poor catch to begin with.
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Post by Stef on May 23, 2008 8:19:12 GMT -6
On my coyote traps = from 18" to 24" total with all the jewels But most of them are in the 18"-20" range
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Post by Zagman on May 23, 2008 9:21:30 GMT -6
Every coyote trap I own has one on it...... Still, I cant look you in the eye and state matter-of-factly their absolute value. Same with good swivels, vs. bad/cheap, or heavy chain, etc. But, I am not taking them off either....... This coyote is truly caught by one toe.....he's on a bank with over 24 inches of chain, and he had plenty of time to act beaver-like, i.e, was not just caught minutes before I got there. I am not sure of the pounds of pressure this dog had hitting the end of that long chain on that down hill..... Good traps, swivels, and shocksprings, I THINK, saved this coyote for me. He was a big melon head too, pushing 50 lbs.....and of course, he was rubbed! Now, one or two coyotes certainly do not justify the expense on hundreds of traps, I know. Still, no matter how hard I try, I DO get poorly caught coyotes and for some reason, hang on to the bulk of them. I like the offsets and laminations for that very reason as well. Yet, there's a whole other faction of trappers that think the offset would LOSE these animals.......so, the dilemma and debate continues! Most of those were one-toers....... Zagman
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on May 23, 2008 10:03:48 GMT -6
Zag I notice in all the pics you are in snow or mud, think that is the reason for the toe catches?
Joel
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on May 23, 2008 10:08:59 GMT -6
One of the reasons I don't use many snares is because I don't like packing rebar around either, especially with a hammer that has to go with it.
I always kind of chuckle when somebody talks about how light snares are and then drags out a rebar, and maybe another one for a tangle stake, and then a big old hammer to pound them in with.
The way some guys use snares they are heavier than traps.
Not knocking the effectiveness of them just commenting on the "light" aspect of the discussion.
Joel
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Post by trappnman on May 23, 2008 10:09:12 GMT -6
nice pictures, but they don't prove anything either way. I could post the same toe catches in non shock spring traps. I guess it comes down to faith..... you either feel the need based on your conditions and mechanical setups, or you don't.
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Post by bobwendt on May 23, 2008 10:41:49 GMT -6
I`d have to agree. I`ve likely hundreds of 1 toe-ers, and even in a weeeeeeeeak softie, relative to the 4 coil elephant strength traps most guys use. I think once the jaws "set" behinmd that last toe knyckle, he isn`t leaving unless he leaves his toe behind, no matter what. and yep, all mine were still there., no toes in empty traps. the fur buyer or live guys either one ever cared if they were by the whole foot, one toe or off the road berm. ok, the live buyers crabbed a little them. reminds of that song, one toe( toke?) over the line..... anyway , that`s all ittkes and he is mine, one toe over the line.
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Post by Zagman on May 23, 2008 11:35:06 GMT -6
Well sure, ff you got em, post them. We'd love to see them......particularly the one-toers......
If you read my post, I dont state MATTER OF FACTLY anything about them and even say I am not sure......you guys can read, I know you can. They are on the traps and are staying there....I like long chains, and with those, I cant see how they hurt, and probably even help.
Joel, yes, I do believe that often mud and snow or both can create these situtaions......
On the weak trap toe catches, dont you think that SOME of them start higher and slide down, i.e, dont start out as toe catches but end up that way?
Regardless, doesn't matter, the animal is still there, so no harm, no foul.
Zagman
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