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Post by thebeav2 on May 24, 2008 11:09:14 GMT -6
When we necropsied 25 wolves for the BMPs we found very Little or no damage to the trapped foot. The traps used were of the 750 size. They wouldn't tell us anything more about the traps. We skinned down to the ankle and then the pathologist did the fine work to expose the trap caught area with a scalpel. The feet were then X rayed and a non restrained foot was also X rayed for an example. I don't know any of the results from the x rays. But the damage In my opinion was very minimal. Now all thees animals were caught during the summer so we didn't have to deal with any damage do to freezing. I'm just a rookie compared to Bob as to live market animals but I can tell you this. I have never had a buyer say to me that he had bought a bad footed fox or coyote from me. Now maybe they just didn't care or all my critters were sound of foot. I never give any shots I don't check twice a day and I didn't ever catch any animal In a rubber jawed trap or any 4coiled trap. All traps were laminated 1.75 with short chains with 3 swivel points and staked solid. During freezing weather I either pulled traps or skinned the catch for the fur market.
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Post by Stef on May 24, 2008 11:25:46 GMT -6
coyotes... snow just melted and would like to be there
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Post by bobwendt on May 24, 2008 11:26:51 GMT -6
beav, if you never kept them up for 10 days prior to sale, then you have no idea if the foot fell off. nor does a necropsie vet. nor does anyone. in the live biz you need to do 3 things to be successful, sell out the back of the truck daily,cheap , or hold and sell high after everything is sorted out, or use all softies so no question as to foot damage, or minimal question at worst. I`ve a test for anyone man enough. put your finger in the standard 4 coiled ( or 2 coiled) laminated or not bridger, whatever- you choose the brand. don`t twist jump or struggle. it will be easy after the first 5 minutes as no feeling will be left in that finger. anyways, stay in that trap 8 hours, lol, 72 for tc38 and 10 days for o`gorman. then take the trap off and see no blood or cuts or broken bones. 10 days later try to pick your nose with the stinking rotton rotting off dead finger.
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Post by Stef on May 24, 2008 11:27:53 GMT -6
In frozen hard ground you can use them as a stake
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Post by bobwendt on May 24, 2008 11:28:21 GMT -6
tman, because of short time in the trap(usually just a few hours at the most), huge feet, and lack of struggling.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 24, 2008 12:47:25 GMT -6
Bob I don' trap coyotes to release them and if I did I would check every morn and I'm betting the majority if room to work the foot would be just fine and dandy. AS are most dogs caught in the style trap many use.
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Post by thebeav2 on May 24, 2008 13:00:39 GMT -6
When WI was doing there radio collaring on wolves the trap of choice that caused the least amount of foot damage was the 114 New house. Here they found a trap with teeth was the most humane, go figure.
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Post by Stef on May 24, 2008 14:57:15 GMT -6
No water paws
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Post by ohiyotee on May 25, 2008 6:15:23 GMT -6
Lots of good opinions here, and alot of truth in all. If you think about it you have to admit that it could not hurt a thing to have them on . i just think that it makes my set up come full circle , and grasps every aspect of tecnonigy available. Center swiveled d ring, base plated, offsett, laminated, heavy chain, 3 double swivels, paws-i-pans, cable staking, and nw shock springs. I feel i have done everything to reduce damage to the animal and improving my ability to hold . and if after all that i get an escape well i could just blam it on bad luck.
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Post by trappnman on May 25, 2008 9:34:14 GMT -6
Doesn't hurt to have them, and wouldn't hurt anything either to have zero chain and nothing but swivels on the trap.
The reason to use shock springs has always been laid out to me as this: fewer "lost" aninals", and less foot damage.
Now- fewer animals is a non arguement for me in my area with short chains- not ap orblem, so needs no solution.
As far as foot damage- does a #4 or#5 4 colied trap, on a long chain with a shockspring- do more or less foot damage that a smaller 2 coiled trap on a 6-8" chain?
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Post by robertw on May 25, 2008 9:43:50 GMT -6
Lots of you would be AMAZED at the pizza looking feet that appear 5-6 days later on coyotes that you believe have no foot damage when removed from a four coiled offset laminated trap (and Sterlings).
Your lucky you have some guys on here like Bob Wendt that will share this kind of information with you. "IF" these four coiled offset and laminated traps were the best available at leaving no damage (animal welfare) the live market trappers would be using them and COST of the trap would certainly never be an issue.
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Post by Stef on May 25, 2008 9:48:50 GMT -6
i can agree but like T38 said.... Its the futur..LoL
Me, had no choice... In my area, in the past, various earth-sand-clay etc...., ice and snow... with short chain, i had big mound catch circle problems and you've seen in the past my "mounds" pictures. That's the reason why I went to longer chain set-up and shocksprings. Since that change.... no more problem even with extended check.
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