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Post by jbconnected on Nov 27, 2007 18:18:23 GMT -6
I just talked to my veterinarian, and she said that you can not dispatch skunks with sodium pentobarb. She very adamantly said it HAD to be injected in the vein. All this time Bob Wendt has been doing it wrong, and I guess all his skunks have been playing 'possum. Who would have thunk it. ;D Anyway, they would not let me buy any (being a controlled substance I can understand), or recommend a substitute. I got the idea that they did not approve of my being a trapper. Looks like after about ten years I will be finding a new vet. Does anybody have any ideas for dispatching without them spraying? Thanks,
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Nov 27, 2007 18:26:57 GMT -6
I'm told Acetone works well i havent used it myself
Jeff
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Post by redcoyote on Nov 27, 2007 18:31:07 GMT -6
acetone works well...matter of seconds
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Post by jalexander on Nov 27, 2007 18:31:32 GMT -6
You can inject them with 15cc's of acetone(fingernail polish remover). Takes about 20 seconds for a skunk to go down. Check your local game laws because it is illegal in some states.
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 27, 2007 19:27:22 GMT -6
na pentobarb it is not illegal in any states if under the prescription ( dispencing) of a dvm. i.e. a dvm can dispence the na pentobarb and then it is legal for a layman to use it. she just didn`t want to do it. I`d advise find a farm vet,an older guy. or if you want to go thru the hassles and are not a convicted felon, apply for a controlled drug liscence and buy your own direct same as dog pounds or the vet does it. and, it is absorbed by any method including intra thoracic, or even orally. it need not go directly into a vein. I`ve said it before and will repeat it again, many of the recent grads aren`t squat brain wise. back in the 70`s there was a shortage of vets and vet schools had 700 aplicants for 60 openings. it took straight "a`s" to get in and a rigorous interveiw etc. typically classes were 55 white male, one black male and 4 females. vets gradually became over populated, as happened to attorneys and teachers at times. then the vet schools couldn`t even find 60 applicants for the 60 openings. now they have to advertise for applicants and will go down to "c" averages and the classes are 2/3 women ,as men won`t do it anymore as they can`t support a family on it. virtually anyone but an idiot can get in now. and look what the public gets for animal medical care now- definitlty a way lower quality dvm than in years past. the vet schools now actually teach courses in "animal rights". so when any of you ask why I turned my back on a once honorable profession, now you know. for most of you it might just be easier to use my method, but a caustic like acetone to curdle the lung tissue and suffocate the skunk. takes a minute or two rather than near instant with the na pentobarb. better yet even is a non narcotic ONE cc in the lungs of a canadian product, "t61", which should be available without prescription if you have a canadian buddy that can supply you. the drug companies here in the states won`t handle it as it is DIRT cheap vs the $50 a bottle na pentobarb. like most everything, it`s all about the $$$$$
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Post by SteveCraig on Nov 27, 2007 19:27:32 GMT -6
Try MEK (methal ethyl ketone) Works far better than acetone and also faster.
Just dont get it on you. You can absorb it into your bloodstream right through your skin.
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Post by Clyde Isaak on Nov 27, 2007 19:53:54 GMT -6
Steve - what is this MEK used for and where would a person get it. Clyde
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Post by thebeav2 on Nov 27, 2007 22:29:39 GMT -6
Mec A very strong specialty solvent with many of the same characteristics of acetone. But a slower evaporation rate then acetone. It's used to thin specialty epoxies and fiber glass resins. It's hard on rubber and plastics. Use with caution. That's what the can say's.
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Post by SteveCraig on Nov 27, 2007 23:50:23 GMT -6
MEK is a VERY strong solvent. Used mostly with car paints, epoxies,bed liners, and several electrostactic paint applications. I use it all the time in my paint contracting business. EPA is about to ban it soon in many states. It will be replaced by MAK in most places. I use it to put a positive charge into an eletrostatic paint. it takes about a pint of acetone to raise the charge, while MEK will only need a couple ounces to do the same charge rate. While a slower evape rate, it is highly volital. It will nock the socks out of a skunk however. You can buy it at any paint store. I get it at Sherwin Williams. About $11 a gallon.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Nov 28, 2007 7:41:16 GMT -6
Bob w. you said it well and I must agree with you on all accounts. Things have changed drastically since the 70's era in many fields. Most of the new grad and a bit older vets are new school trained and dont have a real clue and their teachers have passed on their mentallity to the newer generation, hence the trend is continuing to breed non field application knowledge in their practice or beyond the box knowledge or thought processes.
A sad situation, it is a must to seek out the 50 plus age bracket vets for more common sense type experience and knowledge, particularly those in the farm sector areas.Look to some of the ranchers or farmers in your area for recommendations as to the DVM's that they use.
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Post by Stef on Nov 28, 2007 8:03:18 GMT -6
Remember Bob last year, I checked and couldn't get any. It is at least here in my province controlled substance.
Stef
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Post by jbconnected on Nov 28, 2007 10:28:34 GMT -6
Thanks to everyone for the replies.
By the way Bob, how did you get those skunks to play dead in your videos? ;D
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 28, 2007 10:51:49 GMT -6
we shread them to death with fox hounds first. then play the video in reverse and splice out the dog shreading part. you know , like the various state dnr`s and anti groups make movies to accomplish b.s.
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Post by jbconnected on Nov 28, 2007 11:53:37 GMT -6
I knew it had to be something like that.
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Post by thebeav2 on Nov 28, 2007 14:28:01 GMT -6
When Bob was younger he use to sweet talk and sing the skunks Into a deep sleep. He would then milk them of the valuable essence. He saw no need to kill the skunks that were making him all this money. After years of doing this the skunks and Bob became close friends and the skunks would just roll over and let Bob fondle them I guess they sort of looked froward to It. LOl Bob told me this I swear to God. LMAO
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 28, 2007 15:29:03 GMT -6
that was women, not skunks. you`re getting so senile you are mixing the stories up. well, gotta run, time to go milk some right now ,and they get fussy if not milked proper and on schedule. everyone wondered what aretha franklin meant when she said she wanted her "propers". well, now you know.
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Post by Richard Nelson on Nov 28, 2007 20:30:49 GMT -6
na pentobarb is a class II narc and cannot be used by lay people. Although the vet can write a script for seizuring dogs and cats called phenobarbitol, given orally to control seizures.
Isn't na pentobarb the same drug that some vets have used to committ suicide?
Acetone works and is readily accessible.
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Post by Richard Nelson on Nov 29, 2007 13:23:15 GMT -6
Also, if you were to get na pentobarb, be very careful as to how you dispose of the carcass, if an animal ingest the carcasses it will be in danger of an overdose and dying.....
This is not a drug you want to fool with.
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 29, 2007 14:23:09 GMT -6
richard, it can be used "on the order of a vet". i.e. he can dispence whole bottles. it`s used commonly by laymen in most every dog pound in the u.s. if anyone has committed suicide by it, I`ve not heard about it. a gun to the noggin is so much easier, lol, but then the vet sprays all over...... but you are correct, it is absorbed orally also, just takes a long time and much higher doses to do anything in. I doubt many animals have consumed enough na pentobarbed carcases to croak from it. it has a very bitter repelling taste to it that permeates carcases and any attempts to eat tainted carceses. I tasted it once just to see how bad it tasted. man, it`s bad. lol, when I woke up a week later it still tasted bad. I don`t know anyone that would eat it except maybe XXXXX XXXXX or someone like that. it is basically the same identical drug used as intravenous anesthesia for surgery ("surital" ), but an overdose.
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Post by billkasten on Nov 29, 2007 15:53:59 GMT -6
Bob someone told me they used grain alcohol in the lungs to kill skunks . Any opinion?
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