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Post by romans117 on Jul 11, 2007 11:14:46 GMT -6
I made bait last year with Nelson formula and Dobbins formula. 1/2 gallon each. I tainted cat meat slightly and added the preservative and bait solution. I targeted both animals so I went with the slight taint versus the full taint to keep cats interested and hoped the yotes would check it out. Late season the yotes showed good response to the bait, but early season they didn't seem to care much. I am wondering if I had tainted the meat more I would have better response early from yotes.
I am going all Nelson formula this season. But would like to know what you all think about tainting meat.
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Post by huntinglonewolf on Jul 11, 2007 11:44:20 GMT -6
All mine was made with fresh gound cat meat. I don't taint my bait. Worked great early and all season.
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Post by romans117 on Jul 11, 2007 11:50:42 GMT -6
All mine was made with fresh gound cat meat. I don't taint my bait. Worked great early and all season. I cut mine in one inch chunks. Rolls down the dirthole. Thanks for the response Marty.
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Jul 11, 2007 11:57:54 GMT -6
I think tainted works better just my opinion. the batch i made last year was not tainted enough it was more fresh than tainted. Did it catch cats yes but i beleive would have been better tainted more. I've got some tainting now hopefully have a better test this coming season. I've used Brian's solution and Jameson's solution and RK's solution. I like all three of them.
Jeff
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Post by HappyPlumber on Jul 11, 2007 18:08:07 GMT -6
I think the type of meat makes a difference. I'm not so sure that cat meat is the best.. It needs a taint, but not rotten. Other meats that work are horse, beaver, deer, woodchuck, skunk, rabbit, and squirrel. Each meat has its own characteristics that using the same liquid solution gives it a different smell in the field. If the meat is a common thing the animal feeds on on a regular basis, I think the chances of it working in that area are better. HP
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Post by rk660 on Jul 12, 2007 1:05:21 GMT -6
I'd run 2 different meat bases, to have 2 different smells. Jury is out on what the "best".
bobcat meat has been proven over and over as proven meat base by guys of 1000's miles and 1000's of catches. you wont go wrong with cat meat.
Many western trappers seem to prefer horse meat. horse is usually a milder smelling bait than cat, and i do like it myself, but whether better than cat, i'd hate to really choose.
Many eastern trappers, such as Matt Jones, do real well on beaver or rat based baits. Both break down real fast so be careful in tainting them, lesser taint, IMHO, is better on these bases. myself, I always thought beaver to be a poor predator bait, based on some past experiecne and advice from others, but I've heard enough from some eastern guys that catch a pile of fur, that they must be good too.
Another which makes a great bait for me, is deer meat. Its damn good, and I use it alot myself. Legal stipulations on selling a game animal meat keep me from marketing a deer based bait. But with aid of the many fine bait solutions on the market, one can make up himself very easy.
Also dont overlook fish and cheese bases too. Smoked salmon has been proven to be a great bait for coyotes, based on government studies which I have read. What surprised me this year was the feedback I had from guys using smoked salmon on grey fox this year. more than a few guys have reported salmon to be a killer on greys. A combo base of tainted meat and aged cheese, or just cheese, has proven to be a hell of a base for about anything with fur and claws.
Ive got some extra cheese base and raw salmon if anyone wants to play with it this season.
Ive seen enough reports from guys in the field, that sometimes one bait is hot and another is not so hot, then, next month or next season, something else really ticks. I doubt anything it best all the time, or under all conditions. Diversify, is what I do.
I like to start with fish or maybe milder horse bait, then after a few weeks, move to the louder type bases such as cheese, cat or beaver.
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Post by trappngreys on Jul 12, 2007 2:36:44 GMT -6
I've had better luck on beaver meat than cat meat. Why? I don't know. Maybe it's because we have so many beavers compared to cats.
I've got some fish based bait mixed up for this coming season. I am really wanting to see how it works.
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Post by romans117 on Jul 12, 2007 5:05:19 GMT -6
Thank you rk. I have been looking at your smoked salmon on your website.
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Post by braveheart on Jul 12, 2007 8:00:31 GMT -6
I had best luck with chicken and deer with Nelson solution.But the chicken is hard to make it can break down to fast if not watching close on hot days.
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Post by rk660 on Jul 12, 2007 10:28:13 GMT -6
I know some gov guys really like poultry or fowl based baits too.
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Post by tonymalone on Jul 12, 2007 13:48:45 GMT -6
i have been making my own bait w/ beaver fresh or tainted doesn't seem to make much difference, but Richard nations gave me some RK w/cat meat the other day will be trying it first break in heat about middle of sept.
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Jul 12, 2007 14:38:59 GMT -6
in my area i seen a big difference in loud bait/fresh bait..in the early season...loud bait/lure dosent produce anything but skunks and possums here for me....but wait till freeze up and it does wounders....
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Post by Stanley on Jul 12, 2007 15:20:08 GMT -6
I like to 1/2 taint the meat I use; usally v-burger
Bait Soak
1 qt honey 1 oz beaver castor 1 oz loganberry essence oil 1 TLBS of vanilla extract 1 dropper cap tonquin musk 8 oz glycerine
I use it with @ a gal of meat. This was given to me by another trapper. I like and it's cheap.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Jul 12, 2007 18:18:36 GMT -6
that would make a very good bear, coon and grey fox bait also.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 13, 2007 7:16:15 GMT -6
shouldn't bait be considered something edible by that animal?
Apples for rats, fresh gopher or prairie dog for coyotes, fresh popular cuttings for beaver?
once you take any meat, and add a bunch of lure ingredients to it- doesn't it just become a thick lure?
I've never seen where a prepared bait out produces lures.
But some of the new baits are pretty nifty, so I've been using a few more baits, but with the mindset as if another lure.
Deer scraps mixed with castor, is as good a bait as I've used. But as rk says...
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Post by rk660 on Jul 13, 2007 7:31:03 GMT -6
LOL, difference between bait and lure:
bait comes in pints and gallons and you apply it with a spoon or butterknive.
lure comes in 1 and 4 oz little bottles and you apply it with a dropper or q-tip.
cost per application about the same.
And that, my friends, is the difference between bait and lure. ;D
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 13, 2007 7:33:41 GMT -6
like bigguns and little uns. they are all good. somes partial to bigguns,some to little perky uns with enthusiasm.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 13, 2007 7:34:12 GMT -6
both at once can`t be beat.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 13, 2007 7:48:54 GMT -6
I think you summed it up rk.
And Bob- I also agree. But in reality- is using 2 lures and different than using a bait and a lure? I ask this, because many that routinely use a bait and a lure, are aghast that I like to use two lures.
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Post by rk660 on Jul 13, 2007 9:34:18 GMT -6
how about 2 lures, a bait, some turds, pee and maybe a bird wing all at one set, i do it all the time cat trapping.
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