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Jul 22, 2007 13:25:44 GMT -6
Post by Stanley on Jul 22, 2007 13:25:44 GMT -6
Blood at the set. What is the opinion on this. You don't want it on your equipment. But what about the catch circle? Do you take the critter away and kill it? Or kill on the spot? Attended a Demo this weekend, the Trapper in the demo stated," Blood is great, don't get it on your equipment. But , I'll shot a coyote and stick it's nose in the hole and let it bleed out there." ie; the hole for the dirt hole set.
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Jul 22, 2007 13:37:06 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 22, 2007 13:37:06 GMT -6
blood won`t hurt the set, may even help it, but at skinning timethe hassles of blood tell me anyone shooting coyotes must not catch many or handle many. but that`s par for the demo circuits now a days.
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Jul 22, 2007 13:43:02 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 22, 2007 13:43:02 GMT -6
Sorry Bob- most coyote trappers I know that trap for fur, shoot their coyotes. Big deal about a littl blood at skinning- the furs are getting washed anyhoo. No reason to dick around with a catchpole when a .22 does the job in .3241234234 seconds.
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Jul 22, 2007 13:50:20 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 22, 2007 13:50:20 GMT -6
there are a zillion ways to kill a coyote without bloodying it. as far as the snare and then bloodless kill, it can be done as fast as you can get the gun out, shoot and reload. just the blood mess in the back of the truck is a hassle, let alone the dracula affect back at the shed. also, if longlining and putting fur up out in the boonies, washing isn`t always an option.
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Jul 22, 2007 14:14:49 GMT -6
Post by DaveLyons on Jul 22, 2007 14:14:49 GMT -6
Never minded blood on the catch circle. Just not on the equipment.
Bob,
Does the catch pole method work that good on coyotes. I have never tried it.
I do know the handle on my stainless trowel works wonders right behind the ears.
Dave
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Jul 22, 2007 14:36:11 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 22, 2007 14:36:11 GMT -6
you can`t choke a coyote to save your soul, but the catch pole controls them to where you can do other stuff fast and bloodless and free. i imagine the trowel to the head works to stun them enough to do same as the pole, a prep for the real deal. brian roberts has as good as any method, as is mine. both free, fast and bloodless.
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Jul 22, 2007 15:20:51 GMT -6
Post by coyotewhisperer on Jul 22, 2007 15:20:51 GMT -6
Blood never seemed to bother my coyote catch. washing them sucks. I have went to brians method then back to a gun and now i dont know what im gonna do but i did buy an old ringer washer this year ;D Bill1306 taught me a great tip on coons. I don't mind washing my coyotes but just as soon work on a dry coon that i dont have to wash so now when i get a coon in a coyote or cat set i just plop a 160 on his head. Quick no blood and humane. I also carry a couple 220's now and if a coon in a box trap i just put set 220 in front of door hold door open and wack solved that problem also.
Jeff
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Jul 22, 2007 15:22:38 GMT -6
Post by garman on Jul 22, 2007 15:22:38 GMT -6
So Bob will you share the method?
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Jul 22, 2007 15:24:09 GMT -6
Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Jul 22, 2007 15:24:09 GMT -6
Only ones that get shot here are the few toe caught ones and the dang early, early morning ones who I miss more than twice and they al;ready have an attitude. I hate skinning coyotes to begin with and bloody ones are even worse. But as far as blood at set , it is an attractant when used right.
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Jul 22, 2007 15:29:27 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 22, 2007 15:29:27 GMT -6
stomp to the chest right behind the pulled forward front leg as he ays on his side, bursts all the major vessels, tail twirls, eyes roll back and it`s like a monster anurism tears in the aorta . it all stays in the chest. brian taps or snare poles them and then lays them on their back and a single hard rap to the throat with a pipe, trowel, whatever. pup coyotes I can break their necks by hand like I do a fox. straddle and pull head back as you push forward, you can even hear the vertebra separate when it happens. all methods are 100% blood free, fast, free of expense and more humane than any other method , or as humane. not a gross out either if you have riders or eyes watching.
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Jul 22, 2007 15:34:27 GMT -6
Post by garman on Jul 22, 2007 15:34:27 GMT -6
Thanks Bob, I believe I will try this fall. Used to use a method similar to that with fox, kneel on chest etc.
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Jul 22, 2007 16:26:04 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 22, 2007 16:26:04 GMT -6
While there are different dispatch methods- how one does it doesn't have a single, blessed thing to do with the coyotes they take, skill or numbers taken.
To even argue that point is silly.
I don't enjoy thumping canines on the head, or stomping them, or choking them or putting thme in cages- so I shoot them. Skinning coyotes isn't a dreaded chore to me, any more so than a coon or a pile of rats. Skinnings part of fur trapping. I'd wash them anyway, a little blood on the head is no big deal or even a small deal.
I shoot them in the head with a 22 lr, they die instantly, remove from trap immediately, hold them up to let it drain a sec, lay them it with head below body while set is remade, then pick up and shake a couple of times up and down- all the clotted blood comes out.
Lets not make it out to be a big deal with a little blood- its not.
But back to the original thought- blood is a good attractant to any canine or indeed any predator. Having a pool of blood by the catch circle, is a bonus.
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Jul 22, 2007 22:12:49 GMT -6
Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Jul 22, 2007 22:12:49 GMT -6
Washing coyotes ugh!!
I figure for $25 they're lucky if I get the guts out.
I will brush the loose blood off but I don't go to great pains.
Seems like my averages aren't all that much different than anybody else's. Maybe 4-5 bucks.
I think they just count noses and make average bids anymore at our sale.
They come for the cats, I suspect I could do better somehwere else with the dogs.
As for blood at the set I think sometimes it's an attraction and sometimes a suspicion producer. I'm not sold on a carte blanche answer to that question.
Joel
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Jul 23, 2007 5:35:04 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 23, 2007 5:35:04 GMT -6
I`d have to ammend my thoughts to agree with joels last statement.
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Jul 23, 2007 6:45:35 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 6:45:35 GMT -6
yet Bob, on another thread, you advocated washing in downy...hmmmn
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Jul 23, 2007 7:44:46 GMT -6
Post by jim on Jul 23, 2007 7:44:46 GMT -6
I have never washed a coyote, been asked several times how I killed them. Jim
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Jul 23, 2007 8:01:58 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 8:01:58 GMT -6
I'd wash coyotes if there was zero blood on them.
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Jul 23, 2007 8:02:50 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 23, 2007 8:02:50 GMT -6
true, if you are going to the trouble to wash, yes , soak in downy in the rinse. so?
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Jul 23, 2007 8:05:40 GMT -6
Post by robertw on Jul 23, 2007 8:05:40 GMT -6
I never shoot a coyote unless it is just tangled up where I can't get to him or..he is just barely toe caught.
I break the neck, on exceptionally large coyotes then I thump the throat. Chest stomping still results in some bleeding but would not be bad if it wasn't for hanging the coyotes while skinning. I'll do everything I can to keep from having to wash any more coyote than necessary.
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Jul 23, 2007 8:09:02 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 23, 2007 8:09:02 GMT -6
you avg what, $18 or $17 you told us last year? finished and washed etc. I can`t afford to spend the little time I have and justify it financially on any $17-18 items thrt are as labor intensive, time consuming and costly to produce in numbwers as coyotes. jim, how do you do it blood free. I think you toldus before but I can`t rtemermber know. I`ve heard cb caps maybe?
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