|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 8:24:05 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 8:24:05 GMT -6
who averaged $17?
this thread- its obviously getting into a pissing match on "I stomp them" and I shoot them" and its so far from the original intent and purpose of this post.
I always like what I call "stud dog math". How freaking long do you think it takes to wash a coyote? an hour? 2 hours? 3 days? it rakes minutes per animal- and if those minutes gives me $5-6 more an animal, I'll do it- blood or no blood.
If you think that washing coyotes is stupid, so be it. Lots of things I think are stupid also...but each to their own.....trappnman
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 10:02:35 GMT -6
Post by romans117 on Jul 23, 2007 10:02:35 GMT -6
I shoot them behind the rib cage in the heart and lung area 20 yards back 22 lr. The head shot caused to much blood. The chest shot has kept the blood in the chest as long as I stay back 20 yards or more. If I shoot closer than that the bullet exits larger. I rinse all mine.
As far as blood at the set I am not sure if the blood causes the suspicion or the several catches in the same area. I do scour the blood off with dirt and throw it away from the set.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 10:20:29 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 10:20:29 GMT -6
roman- what I found when shooting them in the rib cage- that while it might leave less blood at the set, you have to mess with blood longer when skinning, over half the skinning is then after the shot.. Whereas a head shot leaves more blood at the set, not necesarily on the coyote- and when skinning, you only have blood to worry about when you get to the head.
you have this problem?
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 10:23:57 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 23, 2007 10:23:57 GMT -6
a poster on here has a unique way of hanging in reverse to skin, i.e start the hide and go 1/2 way, watever, then unhang animal and now hang the hide and pull down on the body so all blood drips onto the body instead of the hide. if you understand what I just said.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 10:27:03 GMT -6
Post by Jeffrey on Jul 23, 2007 10:27:03 GMT -6
I think the only way to resolve this would be to keep records on remakes. If people kept accurate records of remake catches versuse remakes and wether bloodless or not then a logical conclusion could be made. Untill you have actual numbers, your method is always the best, human nature. Since both methods are defended so rigorously, I suspect the real answer is what ever you prefer.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 10:27:18 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 10:27:18 GMT -6
now thats not a bad idea- it would be odd using the knife at the "opposite" angle, but will try it out. Will report on how it works for me.
I do the kinda the same on beaver- skin it to the belly on a table, then hang it by the tail to do the rest- keeps the blood and work to a minimum.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 10:35:00 GMT -6
Post by romans117 on Jul 23, 2007 10:35:00 GMT -6
roman- what I found when shooting them in the rib cage- that while it might leave less blood at the set, you have to mess with blood longer when skinning, over half the skinning is then after the shot.. Whereas a head shot leaves more blood at the set, not necesarily on the coyote- and when skinning, you only have blood to worry about when you get to the head. you have this problem? I stick a paper towel in the hole or holes in the chest. I can't get them to stop bleeding out the head or I should say ear.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 10:46:40 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 10:46:40 GMT -6
roman- if I really get a bleeder from the nose or ear, I do about te same thing- a paper toel and duct tape.
But shaking them good before removing from the set, does eliminate a lot of that excess blood.
Speaking of blood- does everyone get what I call "bleeders" usually a big male that is just so pumped, so that every vein stands out. No matter how caeful I am, I end up with a lot of little cuts and trickles of blood.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 11:14:38 GMT -6
Post by Zagman on Jul 23, 2007 11:14:38 GMT -6
you guys shooting them from 20 yards away in the side.....there must be those occassional coyotes that only face you or are in cover that dont give the opportune shot.....
On those, do you just rush it and pop them in the melon, or wait them out?
I have learned, since using the power puller, that putting that much pressure on the hide and carcass tends to disrupt and/or stress "weak" points on the animal, and therefore generally results in blood flow during skinning. Perhaps pulling the traditional way without the aid of a power puller puts less stress on the animal and therefore does not encourage blood letting.....
My point: whether shooting (no matter where and with what bullet) or thumping (BK's way or Bob's way), due to the way I skin, I will more than likely get blood.
I can accept that, as I have grown accustomed to my skinner and would not go back to the old way......again, not as a time saver as much as a back saver.....even there, I am not talking about pulling as much as the constant adjusting of the coyote so I am always skinning in an upright position vs. starting erect and ending up bent all the way to the ground to pop the nose off....for me, its a "big, little thing"
We rigged up a $69 winch in Wyoming in an old shed....if we could do it there, you can do it anywhere.
I know a guy that skins his coyotes backwards....starts with a scalpal at the gumline and works the coyote's head back to the neck and then skins them the traditional way.
Zagman
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 11:23:39 GMT -6
Post by garman on Jul 23, 2007 11:23:39 GMT -6
Now I must say skinning them backwards sounds like a lot of work, but to each is own, but a power skinner, I made one years ago don't think I would do even coons again without it. whether hand winch or electric.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 11:24:43 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 11:24:43 GMT -6
even there, I am not talking about pulling as much as the constant adjusting of the coyote so I am always skinning in an upright position vs. starting erect and ending up bent all the way to the ground to pop the nose off....for me, its a "big, little thing"
I'd have to agree- I hate being bent over at the end.
Someday...
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 12:17:19 GMT -6
Post by Zagman on Jul 23, 2007 12:17:19 GMT -6
funny, I am often in such a rush that I lift the coyote up off the ground and try to get one foot through the gambrel and then the other.....on smaller coyotes, no issue....but on some of the brutes it can be tough to lift them with two hands, and then let go with one and get 'er around the back leg/paw.
Then I laugh and realize all I need to do is take the winch all the way to the ground and hook the animal up without even lifting it.....
Not a big deal on the slow days, but when you have 6-7-8-9 of the stinky SOB's, along with incedentals, its just foolish to lift them when you have the winch to do the work.
Zagman
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 12:21:03 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Jul 23, 2007 12:21:03 GMT -6
you want blood, skin a badger. it`s a regular blood bath
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 12:39:25 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 12:39:25 GMT -6
regarding shooting from distance- I shoot head only now- just get the gun ready, when they stop spinning they look directly at you- bang I thought everyone brought the gambril to the coyote....
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 12:59:37 GMT -6
Post by Zagman on Jul 23, 2007 12:59:37 GMT -6
Nope, one time my buddy and I knocked his dad's trailer boat tongue off its cinder block and the boat and trailer rolled back about 5 feet.
We set the cinder block back up and tried, in vein, to PULL the 2000 pound boat and trailer BACK to block vs. just lifting the tongue at its new location and propping the cinder block back up....
We still laugh about that one.....
Clefus is making me a new gambrel that does not require slip knots and such.....just a banana shaped piece of flat stock with slots cut into that narrow signifacantly.....you simply slide the leg in and it grabs........will see if that works to my liking.
MZ
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 13:40:38 GMT -6
Post by yoteskinner on Jul 23, 2007 13:40:38 GMT -6
Zag, I've seen the gambrel you are talking about and it works. easy to load and unload.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 13:45:33 GMT -6
Post by yoteskinner on Jul 23, 2007 13:45:33 GMT -6
In fair weather, I skin my coyotes outside using the 4 wheeler winch. this setup puts the animal angling down gradually and keeps the working height about chest high. Blood seems to be minimal. An old towel can be used to wipe it off if you get one starting to run.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 13:48:13 GMT -6
Post by Wright Brothers on Jul 23, 2007 13:48:13 GMT -6
Not debating if it matters, just my thoughts.
I see on my line were coon trails will be avoided after a few catches. I shoot and I think blood may be "part" of the reason for avoidance.
Also notice those same sets, after sitting there empty awhile, will hit in late winter. Perhaps coon from other dens wondering into other areas in search of.
At another blind trail location the blood is always flushed from flowing water, and that set produces for many days straight, and the coon could avoid that "spot" if they wished.
I got two boxes of those blue gloves. After they get used, I will stretch one over critters head to avoid getting blood on fur when skinning. You guys probably do that all ready. I too wash lots of fur.
My skinning rig I made last year from materials I rounded up, is horizontal, so no bending over for me. I'm plenty strong enough to skin without it, but why would I want to.
Edit to say, Perhaps I will try not shooting at those blind sets and take note of any changes.
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 14:48:29 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2007 14:48:29 GMT -6
banana shaped piece of flat stock with slots cut into that narrow signifacantly.....you simply slide the leg in and it grabs........will see if that works to my liking.
man- excellent idea. I use slotted carriers for birds, and never even thought of using it on a gambril. I use swivel ends of old snares, and it works ok... but slots....good thought Clefus!
|
|
|
BLOOD
Jul 23, 2007 15:39:31 GMT -6
Post by Stanley on Jul 23, 2007 15:39:31 GMT -6
Jim, nice catch. So how do you put the kill on?
|
|