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Post by k9 on Jul 8, 2007 20:35:32 GMT -6
How many of you see the December blahs in your coyotes, as far as working sets goes? They just get kinda stuck up during that month. I have seen it with some consistency, and always blamed a combination of our deer shot gun season and the moon phase. However I have read writings and talked with other trappers who say the same thing, and they do not have the December army of deer hunters keeping things stirred up like I do here, and all the gut piles that result to keep a coyote content.
What is your opinion of the December lull?
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Post by johnthomas on Jul 8, 2007 20:44:41 GMT -6
the one in december i always blame on the moon phase i guess, the one i january i blame on the moon phase, but the one that happens in febuary i blame on the dang coyotes being weird, that one sometimes just last and last, some years it does not seem so bad though, i have had them be weird in november to a couple different years, but to be honest the years november was weird it always seemed there was a shortage of pups.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 9, 2007 3:52:28 GMT -6
c`mon now k9, I know you know the reason,and it`s not deer hunters or the moon. if anyone reads any coyote studies they know the answer easy. I had a talk with some one on here why not too long ago, by pm. you all beat it around awhileand if no one spills the beans then I will. it`s normal if a guy doesn`t get into new ground every week, ground not trapped by others or gunned hard. that`s hint #1. I`ll let it out slow so maybe some discussion is stimulated.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 9, 2007 6:38:04 GMT -6
hint #1 makes perfect sense if there are indeed trappers trapping the area.
not so much if an area hasn't been trapped. and I personaly don't feel that gunning makes much of a difference at all- at the Pathfinder- the coyotes were getting shoot at daily- and they were the easiest coyotes I ever caught.
and does trapping itself cause the remaining coyotes to get funny? I don't know about you, but I'm not letting too many go- and while seeing a coyote in a trap might cause a another coyote to avoid THAT specific area, I'm not convinced beyond very rare occurrances that it happens enough to worry about for the general population. A coyote in one spot, is a coyote in one spot- it might be unusual- but does it cause "fright" in others?
My personal thought on why later winter coyotes seem a little more funky- is that you have taken all the easy ones. All the run up and run right in ones, all the no hesitation ones.
Whats left is the ones that were cautious, that hung back, etc- from the get go.
And I don't care what anyone says, snow changes things. I beleive that snow makes coyotes act different in how they work a set. While part of it is the above mentioned spooky to begin with coyotes, I've winter trapped in areas that had no fall trapping- and the coyotes still seem to want to mess around and dig more than on bare ground. Go out in Jan with bare ground, and not much different that fall trapping.
And just the advent of breeding season changes attitudes and noses. Anyone that ever raised and ran many hounds, knows that a females nose often gets messed up for a month surrounding her being in season. Where a normally good nosed dog, can't do a thing. and here the females start coming into bleeding in early feb- so if you consider that she came in a week or so before that- its mid January or so when they are starting to give off odors.
and the thing I always think off when talking about this- spring wipes the slate clean- those coyotes that gave me fits in Jan- are easy in April.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 9, 2007 7:16:53 GMT -6
hint # 2 , 8 minus 5 =3. hint #3 ,feed makes fat but by jan feed isn`t the thing anymore. think when you were 18 years old what extremes you`d go to for a poke. ok, last hint, which month is the migration peaking and when does it start in full swing. where are they migrating from, and going to where?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 9, 2007 7:19:16 GMT -6
nowhere to nowhere here Bob.
Migration is in my opinion almost non existent here.
Slide overs, if you will- but traditional migration- nope.
our study showed almost a 100% turnover in population in a 2 year period. So young coyotes don't have to travel far- just slide over to the next vacent chair.....
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 9, 2007 8:24:03 GMT -6
no they don`t have to, but they do, it`s their nature, and natures way. I m waiting for some more guys to post.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 9, 2007 8:30:44 GMT -6
river bottoms always have fur, no matter what time of year.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 9, 2007 9:03:15 GMT -6
but is it? in other words- whats "natures" way? when a big buck gets taken out of an area, anopther big ione usually replaces him.
Take a 3 lb trout out of a creek- 2 weeks later there wil lbe another.
Im thinking natures way is unihabitated (to whatever degree- but to make a living lets say) territory, not distance.
but a certain % wander for sure---- but is that dispersal (let me make it clear- I'm not talking migration as such here- but dispersal)
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Post by slingshot4561 on Jul 9, 2007 10:41:11 GMT -6
Ive got to take a stab at this. #1 disruption of daily routine, hunters, trappers, golfers, ect.#2 has anyone seen mom or dad . #3 the pink bunny is still going and going and going.#4 after the first big party of the year. Ive lost sleep over this more than once. From late Dec to mid jan last winter we got our butts kicked , thank's kevin
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 9, 2007 10:55:07 GMT -6
c`mon now, this is elementary stuff. just think for a second. it`s right in front of your faces
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 9, 2007 10:59:55 GMT -6
#1 the cream is gone, be it trappers, hunters, or in some areas death by mange due to bad weather. #2 the coyotes are in small packs and have larger home areas so takes longer to come back through. #3 I have no clue for sure, I was trapping with Kevin last year and got half that butt kicking LOL.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 9, 2007 11:18:15 GMT -6
bob, you don't have to tell me, I have it figured out but unfortunately not much I can do about my situation at home base.
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Post by z on Jul 9, 2007 11:24:29 GMT -6
Their need to reproduce far outweighs their need to feed, At this particular time of the year..... Call it a coyote "Pre-Rut"...... Whats my prize?
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 9, 2007 11:40:05 GMT -6
an atv manual. but that`s not it, thus the minor prize for effort .
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Post by romans117 on Jul 9, 2007 13:00:40 GMT -6
an atv manual. but that`s not it, thus the minor prize for effort . lololololololololollolol
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Post by musher on Jul 9, 2007 15:29:41 GMT -6
but is it? in other words- whats "natures" way? when a big buck gets taken out of an area, anopther big ione usually replaces him. Take a 3 lb trout out of a creek- 2 weeks later there wil lbe another. I want to know you're fishing/hunting spoits!!!
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Post by musher on Jul 9, 2007 15:30:01 GMT -6
And you're spots, too!
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Post by trappnman on Jul 9, 2007 17:02:14 GMT -6
musher- It sounds like oyu don't do much stream trout fishing. Stream trout are terriorial ,and control the teritory they can, and size matters. A lurking spot (home) big enough to feed and maintain a trout in any weight range-doesn't matter what size, 6 ozs or 10 lbs.... as the previous resident is eliminated - either by moving on or death- the trout that takes that spot- and it wil lbe taken- will get to be about the same size- either i ngrowth or moving up also. Neat tihng to know- makes continuity in trout fishing a big part of success.
same tihng with big bucks- unless a freak incident- whatever circumstances that existed to harbour 1 big buck, will also lead to a similar buck taking resident. Whether cover, food, no hunting, whatever.
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Post by JWarren on Jul 9, 2007 17:09:37 GMT -6
at the Pathfinder- the coyotes were getting shoot at daily- and they were the easiest coyotes I ever caught. think he means airplane gunning, hicks in pickups aiint gonna wipe them out
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