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Post by FWS on Jul 1, 2008 22:48:03 GMT -6
Wonder how long it'll be before KS and WY go reciprocal. ID Fish & Game- FurbearersAttention Nonresident Trappers: Nonresident Idaho trapping license allows you to trap only those species that your home resident state allows nonresidents to trap and that there is an open season for those species in Idaho. Quotas apply. Nonresidents are advised to review their home state ’s nonresident trapping rules.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2008 3:51:55 GMT -6
I`m not clear on one issue. maybe you or lynx can say. my state , for example has no marten, they don`t live here at all, or bobcats, so obviously we have no season on them, for residents or non residents. so how does that effect me trapping cats and marten in idaho as a non resident? my take is that I can as indiana does not trat out non residents any differently than residents as to cat or masrten harvest, lol, none!
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Post by kevinupp on Jul 2, 2008 5:02:23 GMT -6
I'm gonna guess and say no you wouldn't be able to Bob since there is no open seson in Indiana.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2008 5:54:12 GMT -6
I think I`ll call idaho and find out as that doesn`t make sense to me . I mean indiana treats resident and non resident IDENTICAL in regard to trapping cats here. or beavers or any other animal. tigers and elephants too. lol, it`s allowed.
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Post by lynxcat on Jul 2, 2008 6:24:06 GMT -6
Not sure... I've got to return a call to Don Kemner (head biologist for the fish/game) today.... been helping them in regards to the antelope,chuckar, and sage hen populations... they cant afford to hire someone to be down in that area and rely on my input quite heavily.... and YES Bob... you can come here and trap skunks and housecats NO problem!!! Brent
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Post by robertw on Jul 2, 2008 7:15:15 GMT -6
Bob, Can you legally trap bobcats in Wyoming?
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2008 8:06:23 GMT -6
as far as I know yes. maybe I better ck. on that too. Ialways assumed if idaho non residents weren`t treated any different than residents here in indiana ( they are treated identical), then it was the same in wyoming or idaho. I think those saying different are mistaken. otherwise the same trap size regs, ck . times, season dates bla bla would all apply. and of course we all know they don`t.
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Post by FWS on Jul 2, 2008 10:30:34 GMT -6
You can't take either species in ID Bob since IN does not have a season on either. As a CA resident I can trap cats in ID but not marten, red fox or river otter since we do not have seasons on those. CA is also reciprocal, and the law states,"Issued to any nonresident for the purpose of trapping only if the state in which they reside provides for issuance of a nonresident trapping license to California residents. Also, a nonresident issued a license under this subdivision may take only those species, and may take or possess only that quantity of a species which a California resident may take or possess under a nonresident trapping license or permit in the state of residence of that nonresident." So an ID resident can't take gray fox since they have none and thus no season on them. You can secure your ability to take cats in ID if you restore a harvestable bobcat population in IN and get a season established with no quotas.
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Post by coonhangman1 on Jul 2, 2008 10:45:22 GMT -6
I have a question though. We don't have a Marten season in Iowa. But to my knowledge, they're not protected either. So that means we can legally harvest Marten in Iowa. So with that, We should be able to legally harvest Marten in Idaho? Right? lol
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Post by FWS on Jul 2, 2008 11:03:33 GMT -6
Nope, no martens for you Nick, IA has no season on them. And you can take only 1 cat in ID since that is your quota in IA, provided that they allow nonresidents to take cats in IA. Besides which you're a flat ground type and the mountains in ID would freak you out anyways. I've seen that happen. But perhaps it was my driving 50 mph on steep, windey mountain roads where plunging off the side into the canyon below would have meant certain death for my flat ground living passenger. Or so he thought anyways.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2008 11:13:10 GMT -6
I`ll call idaho rather than base it on what california says. over thge internet at that. from reading , idaho is not that way at all. will take something written from the horses mouth to know. hard to get mad at mn. for not allowing non residents if other states say they do, but really they don`t.
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Post by billmeyerhoff on Jul 2, 2008 11:26:24 GMT -6
Reciprocity can either be complete or partial. Never look at laws or regulations as being fair or equitable, and to invoke your standard of common sense doesn't work either. A written response to your question is always safest.
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Post by Gasconade on Jul 2, 2008 11:27:01 GMT -6
I've been issued limited quota marten licenses for WY under their past regulatory language. Their new regs. are due out shortly and there may be changes. Under the wording of Idaho's new regs, a MO trapper could trap bobcats the same as an ID resident but couldn't touch a marten. This pruning down species by species is really unfortunate because it cuts both ways. MO could play the same game with otter. As long as non-resident trappers are treated equal to resident trappers in the state they're visiting, the conditions of reciprocity should be deemed satisfied. When States interpet the definition of reciprocity differently, everybody ends up arguing over the meaning of"is". The big bugaboo is that some wardens will go out of their way to try and put all burden of proof on a visiting trapper. It can make for a really bad scene.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2008 11:29:10 GMT -6
gas, let me know what the new regs say,as I`m in the same boat on wyoming bobcats as you are wyoming marten.
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Post by FWS on Jul 2, 2008 11:32:44 GMT -6
It's clearly written Bob,
"Nonresident Idaho trapping license allows you to trap only those species that your home resident state allows nonresidents to trap and that there is an open season for those species in Idaho."
Nonresidents cannot trap cats in IN, where they are classified as an endangered species and there is no season.
That is from the 'horses mouth', the ID Dept. of Fish & Game. Apparently, they are 'that way'.
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Post by mr. finch on Jul 2, 2008 12:07:51 GMT -6
yeah so i can trap all the cats i want.... aswome
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Post by lynxcat on Jul 2, 2008 12:09:58 GMT -6
YEPPERS....
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2008 12:41:55 GMT -6
I would never trust an answer to a thing like that to internet talk. I`ll call idaho f and game.
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Post by mr. finch on Jul 2, 2008 12:52:09 GMT -6
I would never trust an answer to a thing like that to internet talk. I`ll call idaho f and game. post what ya find out bob will ya?
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2008 12:56:02 GMT -6
sure. no hurry here tho. I`ll get around to it eventually. I`ll call and ask for the top dog, and hen request it in writing too. it may not be what appears at first reading at all. or maybe it is exactly that. if so, that isn`t reasonable and not the intent of reciprocity. to me either states are or they arent. here we grant he same laws to a non resident as a resident , if they pay the non resident fee. that`s how it should be everywhere imo.
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