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Post by bobwendt on May 2, 2007 5:51:19 GMT -6
the deer are fine over here, no disease. hope they all get it and die. I`ve not decided if the deer or the deer hunters are a bigger problem. but if they all died tomorrow ,every farmer and rural person would have a better quality of life- no deer and no deer hunters. man, that would be wonderful. as a land owner I can tell you I am anti deerand anti deer hunter. I don`t know any land owner that is not. the trespassing, nails and stands in veneer quality oak andwalnut, (making them worthless) the rutted lanes and fields, the trash strewn about, the gun shots so close you worry about the house and the fear to even be outside in gun season. the state has lost control and it`s crazy here. same in ks. deer and deer hunters have ruined the outdoor oportunity and enjoyment for everyone but the deer hunters. send the blue tongue over here. cwd would be fine too. cougars if that is what it takes to get rid of the wild ferel goats.
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Post by trappnman on May 2, 2007 5:59:53 GMT -6
sorry Bob- I disagree 100%. I've lived through times with no deer, and times with deer.
I'll take the deer for many, many reasons.
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Post by bobwendt on May 2, 2007 6:25:13 GMT -6
no one minds a few deer or a few ethical hunters. we have neither here. it`s alway the guys that own no land that think deer are fine. serious. if you owned ground or lived in the country you wouldn`t think they were nice any more than mice in the house or beavers in the drainage ditch or coyotes in the sheep. or hunters jacking around with you.
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Post by trappnman on May 2, 2007 6:44:18 GMT -6
serious Bob? I lived on a farm all my life, until moving here. I think I know what living in the country is all about.
if you have the right habitat, deer are no problem.
In fact the #1 complaint of farmers here is not der, is not coon- its turkeys.
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Post by bobwendt on May 2, 2007 7:48:03 GMT -6
living on a farm ,or making a living off a farm? it always did gall me that w.s( OUR GOV`T) feels ranchers in the west need coyote control for range sheep yet deer in the east, or turkey or coon, whatever are a non issue. IN FACT PROTECTED. BUT i THINK IT IS AN EAST VS WEST THING AS MANY STATES INCLUDING INIANA ACTUALLY PROTECT COYOTES. DID YOU EVER?  |
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Post by Hornhunter on May 2, 2007 9:34:32 GMT -6
And Maine is another one. Nothing more than an invastive species, not native and our trapping ends the last day of December. You can hunt them year round, but can't trap.  |
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Post by trappnman on May 2, 2007 10:16:34 GMT -6
Both- that is, growing up on a farm. but after I got married, justl iving. but I walked those foields almost daily, and Im smart enoguh to see dage or not see damage. Don't get me wrong- deer cause crop damage of course they do- esp in urban settings like Indiana.
man, I love where I live! Deer here can be deer- we love em.
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Post by bobwendt on May 2, 2007 11:55:47 GMT -6
no, you love them. farmers don`t. and we are very rural here, at least for now. nothing like how poor shag has it or in the big city countys. and if deer were really being deer they`d still be eating leaves ansd twigs instead of corn and beans, and wolves would be eating them and they wouldn`t have closed seasons yada yada. you get my drift. there`s too many here and the dnr`s manage them for over population so they can sell more liscences to guys that own no land. fwiw, the cost in auto repair from hit a deer accidents and other deer damage exceeds the liscense sales $, so you tell me what makes the most sense? I say spread some cwd around is what makes sense.
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Post by coyotewhisperer on May 2, 2007 12:30:43 GMT -6
Deer season is like a war zone out here. Tresspassers cutting fences etc. There isn't enough game wardens too even begin to address the problem. I'd say 9 out of 10 deer killers out here run them down with trucks in the pastures. You have to see it to believe it. I always thought it was funny that if you poached a deer you owed the state money cause its their deer but if that same deer they own smashed the front end off your buick well then they aren't responsible cause its not theirs then LOL.
Jeff
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Post by bobwendt on May 2, 2007 12:38:54 GMT -6
I`ve noticed that jeff. here replacement value for "THEIR" deer is $500, but like you say, if they eat your crop or wreck your truck they belong to the public. try collecting from the public. another fwiw, every year people DIE ( like in frigging dead) from hbc deer accidents. the ferel vermin aren`t worth even one life. at least not to me.
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Post by Zagman on May 2, 2007 13:01:44 GMT -6
Lean towards agreeing with Bob on this......though I DO like to eat the GOOD parts of a deer......though most people try to give me packages with "Deer Burger 1985" written on it. I honestly believe we will have trouble getting snares here due to the deer and deer hunters than because of dogs and dog hunters..... Deer rule the world......a guy will come to a meeting about NO SNARES due to the chance of killing a deer, but thinks nothing of the 10 roadkilled deer he passed on the way to the meeting. I love the stories about guys shooting dogs for running deer.....certainly, the dogs should not be doing that, but OH MY GOSH, a DOG running a DEER!!! ........GOD FORBID! We dont have a feral dog problem, so it was probably someone's dog doing the wrong thing.....guilty, yes, but punishable by death? Again, the dog ought not have been doing that, but come on.... Actually, I guess while I have a problem with all these deer, I guess I really find fault in the management of the species and our 6-week long deer GUN season, which starts in mid-November and goes through Christmas...... Prime-time, prime-coyote-takin' time......I think the bow season is like 6 months long, lol, compounding the problem. You just cant operate a decent land line up here during deer season....plus the coyotes are plain goofy during deer season.....chased around, shot at, plenty of food in the woods.....not a great time to be trapping them. Still, I am a realist and understand that without all these deer, maybe I wouldnt have as many coyotes.....OK, fine. Then give me a deer season like in my home state of Ohio....one week, Monday through Saturday and it is done. ANd allow a guy to kill like 10 of them......increasing the chances of a guy giving away some backstraps! Zagman |
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Post by bobwendt on May 2, 2007 14:53:36 GMT -6
patience, cwd is creeping, as is the publics outrage at dnr deer politics that benefit the longevity of the dnr personels jobs more than hunters or deer. anymore theft and shot dead in the trap by deer hunters is the primary reason I basically never see a set in the daylight once it is first set. on an up note, zag, if you get by this way I have about 300lb. of ground burger from `86 you can have. I`m getting tired of the wife pawning it off on me to take to ks or wyomning to eat when I am shack living. 50 lb of deer burger, a half gallon of crisco and a 1 lb box of saltine crackers a week gets old fast. thank goodness for rabbits and cat meat and salt and pepper and eggs and ketchup and kindly widow women that feed me on the down low.
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Post by trappnman on May 2, 2007 15:21:22 GMT -6
nobody but you wants cwd- get real. Thars like wishing for mange to control coyotes or distemper for coon.
Zag- I agree about the season length. I wish MN was like Wi- get the major season over with in a week or so.
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Post by bobwendt on May 2, 2007 17:22:12 GMT -6
and mange and distemper are the #1 control factors for both coon and coyote, nationwise. you stockpile wildlife thru low fur prices or ridiculous protective regs. and I guarantee you ma nature will do it with disease, be it mange or distemper or in the case of deer cwd or something else. like the 28 dead deer in the gully, why you think that happened? a dead coon from distemper, a dead coyote from mange or a dead deer from cwd or bluetongue does mankind no good at all, a total waste of a rescource thru criminal mismanagment. the dnr`s should be up front promoting fur and loosening up on harvest regs on everything. use it or lose it, whether it`s wildlife or weiners.
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Post by ohiyotee on May 2, 2007 20:34:09 GMT -6
And what is the definition of that? |
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Post by robertw on May 2, 2007 20:46:05 GMT -6
Bob has given a very accurate accounting of the current situation in many states. The DNRs are more concerned with being politically correct and protecting their budgets than they are with managing the resource!
With the exception of Minnesota how many DNR employees do you see wearing or promoting the use of fur? Many DNR employees believe it is WRONG to profit from the sale of wildlife in any form. Indiana is even currently promoting the concept of protecting their coyotes (closed season!) and that it is wrong to sell them for profit!
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Post by SteveCraig on May 2, 2007 23:04:25 GMT -6
It's wrong for us to sell them for profit, but it is OK if the state sells us a license(selling for a profit) to shoot a deer. HaHaHa
The pot calling the kettle black!
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Post by trappnman on May 3, 2007 5:34:45 GMT -6
whatever definition you want or need.
If deer are so populous that their #1 resourse is crops, then you don't have enough habitat for the population.
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Post by trappnman on May 3, 2007 5:36:49 GMT -6
one other thing- I often hear that "deer hunters get all the time, money, etc" same thing on Duck hunters or turley hunters...
Trappers should get down on thier knees and be thankful for this- deer and ducks and turkeys are whats keeping this game afloat....
if it was just trappers like some want- there would BE no trappers.....
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Post by rn on May 3, 2007 6:16:53 GMT -6
I realize that I started this as how not to snare deer, but I feel I must share the phone conversation that I had with a deer camp in reference to trapping beaver, ect. ect.
The man advised that the camp was over run with beaver, coyote ect and never had a trapper on site before. He then advised this" I will meet with the membership and call you monday and tell you how much we will charge you to trap".
It is hard to explain that I do not pay to trap for hunting clubs when I am laughing so hard.
Maybe I should start a new thread on "How much do you pay landowner/leaseholders to trap on the property ?"
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