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Post by bobwendt on Apr 28, 2007 8:25:42 GMT -6
common sense would dictate just cut it and leave it and report it. but if every snared deer was reported snaring would be made illegal. no need beating around the bush. they value deer more than anything ,as they make money off them, not because a deer is worth more than a beaver or groundghog or snake or bug, but because deer are big business for fish and game depts, i.e., pay THEIR wages. it will be interesting to see what happens when cwd spreads far and wide and no hunters will buy deer liscenses anymore. instead of mangy coyotes it will be cwd deer. lol, the kings deer will all be poison to eat then and you betcha they`ll be safe.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 28, 2007 9:16:34 GMT -6
exactly what Bob said, reports of enough snared deer will be downfall of snaring.
3 S it, see if you can learn something from it to avoid a deer next time, and forget about it.
Ralley I used that exact set up on 100's of snares this winter, in 6-12" of snow, and NEVER had a single deer duck under a 15-18" jump stick over trail (cat/coon hieght), and backed up with an s breakaway. Not saying it cant happen, but lower snares to ground w/ jumpstick are reasonalbly safe. This aint something I dreamed up in my sleep either, as I have set just a few snares in my day.
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Post by SteveCraig on Apr 28, 2007 9:52:22 GMT -6
I use either a "J" trail off the deer run, or I use a HORIZONTAL stick about the size of your arm across the trail and keep it no higher than 18" above the trail. Now.........simply add an angled pole about six feet each side of your snare pole angled down and OFF CENTER of the trail, about 3/4 the way across the trail. This causes the deer to side step the angle and jump your snare pole. Works about every time. Once in a while you will still get a late born fawn that will duck through, but he/she shouldnt have done that as far as I am concerned. As long as i did everything in my power to avoid the deer, any catch at this point is an accident. Remove the snare, and circle the new bait station with more snares. Possums, crows, etc. need to eat too you know. And they just bring in more coyotes. The "J" trail is still your best bet and almost 99% effective. I wrote about the "J" trail in Smitty's Fox Encylopedia way back in 1980 or so. FWIW Steve
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Post by rk660 on Apr 28, 2007 14:00:11 GMT -6
I got that book stashed away somewhere, Ill have to review it.
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Post by Hornhunter on Apr 28, 2007 15:34:37 GMT -6
Bob covered that real well! Couple times I had fawns that had the snare around the chest. First one had just been snaged and wasn't too difficult to release. The next one came close to wrapping me up as well. As for reporting we've learned the hard way about reporting lynx caught in conibears. 2 0r 3 lynx and it's enough for the anti's to sue the state of Maine.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 28, 2007 15:49:57 GMT -6
it is such a problem in indiana that I basically just don`t hardly ever set a snare here anymore unless it is one of those special places. the problem is we have maybe 500 deer here for every coyote. I just pulled that figure out my keester and have no idea, it could be 1,000 to one for all I know or maybe 100 to one. but whatever figure you want to use, your odds of a whole bunch of deer hitting your snare before a coyote does are real real good.
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Post by robertw on Apr 28, 2007 16:47:51 GMT -6
Steve, As for releasing live deer, just cut the cable off of them and...... if you are using a catch pole be sure and hang on to it when you cut the snare!!! A friend of mine lost a Ketch-All pole this winter to a deer when he cut the snare loose! The deer was definitely not worth what that pole was!
Wonder how long that deer will wear the catch pole before destroying it??
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 28, 2007 20:17:34 GMT -6
Steve if you are going to follow strictly to Mn law, Ie no loop bigger than ten inches and cant be higher than 18 to the top of the snare, mixed with a little common sense you should not have to worry about it.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 29, 2007 5:27:59 GMT -6
I`ve neck snared them in 8" loops 6" off the ground, in briar thicket coon trails, serious. but we have unbelievable populations here too. I counted 18 in my field yesterday. my contention is anyone in deer country, you snareenough and no matter how careful, eventually it`s goingto happen, and probably won`t take long either. and once the dam breaks they seem to flood a guy in waves.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 29, 2007 6:43:11 GMT -6
I do follow the law 100% steven. and haven't caught a deer yet- but its going to happen sooner or later.
Even setting off of "deer trials" I still get too many knocked down snares because of deer.
Unfortunately, following the law, is making me a coon snarer, not a yote snarer.
sigh--there is always next year.....
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 29, 2007 8:05:24 GMT -6
I havent snared one yet Bob(knock on wood), maybe snared 150 fox.
I know my time is coming.
We have a tremendous amount of deer here too. By product of several mild winters. They have liberalized the bag limit on them(I could shoot 7) so they are coming down. Only 15-20 per sp mile now. lol
We could use a barn burner of a winter. Cut the deer and maybe help with the mange.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 29, 2007 8:19:05 GMT -6
Don't wish too hard steven- remember 1970 and 1971?
We've had as many as 100 per sq mile densities- in the Whitewater area. Trouble is- the seasons are so spread out and so long- that the concentration of the hunters is not there.
Its not uncommon to sit all day in abundant sign- without seeing a deer. Whitewater for example- used to have a lot of hunters- and everyone saw deer. Now- 2 years ago opening day- there were TWO rs parked in the Nursery parking lot, and 2 including us on Siebennallers Ridge. Those 2 access points- give you 1000s of acres of big oak woods and marshes, river bottom to hunt. The deer are pushed back, and there are no hunters to move them out. Everyone is hunting farms. We need to put the season back to a 3-5 day, all state/all sex hunting- THAT would take the deer numbers down.
------------------------------------------------------------ So what is the legal requirement on a snared deer? I'll ask the warden between now and next year. Is it legal to just toss it, or does one have to call it in?
man, it would be gutsy down here using a snared deer for bait.
I can see its a no win situation- and silence would be the better part of valor.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 29, 2007 8:43:18 GMT -6
Hey old man Don't wish too hard steven- remember 1970 and 1971? umm no.
I do remember 95-96 backed up 96-97 cold, long, lot of snow sobs.
Deer were down for couple years.
I dont think the results of the early seventies could be reproduced with the change in farming practices and the increased available protein unless several tough winters in a row. Not counting the forested areas of course.
Now I hunt the an early rifle season for does in october. Could shoot two.
Then I have a nine day rifle season that I could shoot an additional five deer.
Then I hunt a 16 day muzzleloader season after thanksgiving the limit being the part of the five I didnt take with the rifle.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 29, 2007 8:57:45 GMT -6
we can take 6 down here in my zone. In the whitewater- get this- still only lottery area around here- so can't shoot a doe in the whitewater but can shoot 6 all around it?
Biglab and I did our part- we shot 4.
Hey old man Don't wish too hard steven- remember 1970 and 1971? umm no.
ouch.... well then..we ended up with NO deer season in 72.
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Post by gcs on Apr 29, 2007 9:11:49 GMT -6
I almost hate to ask this, but....Anyone ever eat one of those deer?
I mean it's obviously not bled out and dead for an undetermined time. I'm not advocating snaring deer on purpose but, how do they eat?
PM me if the statute of limitations hasn't run out,lol
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Post by trappnman on Apr 29, 2007 9:35:31 GMT -6
thats like ducks in mink sets...should I or shouldn't I?r
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Post by rk660 on Apr 29, 2007 11:26:03 GMT -6
would'nt know, probibly about as good a beaver in 330 in cold water overnight.
Steve G.: releasing deer usually results in a broken rib, concussion, or other such ailment, unless using a 40 grain release tool. Usually come in 50 pack so pretty affordable. I'll send anyone a sample release tool for $5.00 postpaid, LOL.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 29, 2007 11:47:02 GMT -6
I`ve had 2-3 still alive I did turn loose, I mean took the snare off their heads. I knocked them down , took the snare off real quick and then backed up just as they came to and ran off unharmed. about like the dead coyote in a snare last spring that I reached down and de-snared, carried by scruff of neck and threw in atv cage ,as the sucker was rolling it`s eyeballs at me. back home I yank it out by the tail and the sob sunk all 4 fangs into my leg and even put 4 holes in my gum boots. I wish if they were dead they`d stay dead instead of jerking a guy around like that. coolest thing I ever snared was a wild turkey, right around the neck. needless to say he was dead as it was a 1/16th cat snare with no stop. also snared a goose one time in a beaver slide ,around the head. the 2 cow stories are the best tho, one by a single ear and the other by it`s nose only, and held them! well, the snaring them isn`t the best story,the turning them loose is. regular RO-DEEEE-O
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Post by rk660 on Apr 29, 2007 15:09:02 GMT -6
I released a few deer unscathed, but then paid the price w/ hoof in the ribs. seems about every 3 rd one will just flat out ruin your day. Did the cow deal once too, one of those call ya hate getting,"hey, you snared one of my cows." Luckly, I was able to remind him he told me no cows in that pasture till blah blan, and he was a week earlyer than what he told me. I offered to buy the cow and eat it, pay whatever he spent on vet bills, etc. Figured I'd still lost the trapping anyhow, in the end he was impressed with how I handled it all and still got to trap.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 29, 2007 17:34:10 GMT -6
I can well imagine that seeing a cow in your snare would be a good start to your day.....
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