|
|
Post by woody on Apr 8, 2004 12:12:00 GMT -6
OK, I have a duke 1 3/4 os in one hand and a Victor 4x4 pro in the other, not really or I wouldn't be typing this ;D They are sitting on the computer table though. I see little differences in them other then one is a 1/4 inch larger on the inside jaw spread. the bases are very close in size and width. the victor is swiveled on the bottom of the trap with a welded lap link and the duke is swiveled off the end of the trap. both have cross link chain, the chain on the victor is heavier then the one on the duke. the one on the duke is like their chain on 1.5's.. the dukes set up is 3 links then a box swivel, the chain set up on the victor is lap link, 1 link of chain, victor swivel, 1 link of chain and a MB swivel. I don't like the pan and dog set up on the Victor, its like the sleepy creek's pans.
OK now my question, Do you need a trap that is 4 coiled for coyotes? or is it a waste of $$$$'s. I plan on adding a dozen Montana's to the line for coyote specific area's and am looking for an all round K-9 trap. ;D Is 4 coiled over kill for Fox? woody
|
|
|
|
Post by dj88ryr on Apr 8, 2004 12:14:40 GMT -6
In my opinion, yes.
|
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Apr 8, 2004 12:17:12 GMT -6
75% of the people who will respond to this will say you need to four coil. I disagree. None of my Dukes are (nor will any of my Montanas be) 4- coiled.
Does 4 colied add coyotes? Depends on your methods, your guiding, your conditions. For me, I feel very few are lost because of the trap not being 4 coiled.
Don't forget that you can't just 4 coil- you need to reinforce baseblate so it doesn't flex, maybe bubble jaw tips, then maybe have to laminate ...etc...
All the parts are interrelated.
On the Dukes- the stock springs are strong enough to last for many years.
|
|
|
|
Post by woody on Apr 8, 2004 12:37:17 GMT -6
Trappnman, do you own stock in Duke traps? ;D I like the looks of the Duke 1 3/4's I also like the looks of the Victor. I hate buying new traps ;D too many to choose from  I like the offset of the duke 1 3/4 alot better then the offset on the duke #3's. I wont have to do much filing on it as I did the #3's. ;D I will probally end up with 3 dozen dukes before I am done looking at traps.  thanks for the replies. woody |
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Apr 8, 2004 13:06:58 GMT -6
 Nah, woody- just someone who got lucky. When I decided to trap seasonal fulltime over a decade ago- I needed a lot of traps- fast and cheap. I didn't know any better- so I ordered a bunch of Dukes and started catching fur- and have used them ever since....
|
|
|
|
Post by 17kiss on Apr 8, 2004 13:15:13 GMT -6
4 coiling for fox is not needed. Most traps made for coyotes, stock will hold about 80-90% of your coyotes. My personal preference is stepping up a size music wire springs. Less work and comparable to 4 coiling. Bridgers and from the look of them Montanas should not need baseplating to 4 coil. Alot of other traps do. The Duke 1.75 is one heck of a trap for the money. Too bad Duke's 3 is not as nice.
|
|
|
|
Post by Obejoyful on Apr 8, 2004 14:12:05 GMT -6
Over the last 40 years I've caught and held thousands of coyotes and never used a four coil trap of any size. A two coil trap in good condition in size 2 or 3 is more than adequate to hold any coyote in this country.
There's no need to waste your money on 4 coils.
|
|
|
|
Post by lonetrapper on Apr 8, 2004 14:36:43 GMT -6
wish i had asked before i bought,will rec 12 bridger no#3 next week 4 coiled ,should i base plate and laminate ,is it necessary .
|
|
|
|
Post by Obejoyful on Apr 8, 2004 15:14:29 GMT -6
Bridgers have the chain attached to the mainframe near enough to the cross arm that a base plate shouldn't be needed.
Laminating is up to you and your wallet thickness.
|
|
|
|
Post by Stef on Apr 8, 2004 15:44:25 GMT -6
I 4 coiled all my #3s.
Its a necessity with double laminated jaws or ΒΌ" rods.
Smaller traps... forget it, strong springs in shape is all you need.
Stef
|
|
|
|
Post by chub618 on Apr 8, 2004 16:06:47 GMT -6
i have one 4 coiled trap ant that is a bmi k9 wolfer its a good looking trap and hope it does well for me,,, but from what ive seen and read just adding a next step up music wire spring will be good enough for what i want it to do and the area i am in!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Stef on Apr 8, 2004 16:47:16 GMT -6
Woody, the 4X4 coil you have is just a piece of chit ;D
Look the diameter of the springs, smaller than your Duke.
Take a brand new 2 coils trap and you'll find that it has about the same spring pressure.
Now take a reg, coil spring with 2 springs, change the spring pin and add some helper springs, now you have a real 4 coiled traps and you'll see what I mean.
Stef
|
|
|
|
Post by woody on Apr 8, 2004 19:29:55 GMT -6
Stef, I am a weakleen and need a weak trap to set ;D  The montana's take all I have to get the levers down ;D without my feet I have to admit that the Victor with 4 coils feels very close to the Duke with 2 coils when setting them I just bought one of them 4x4's to see if they fit the scheme of things or if they were the same old victor's that were out 20 years ago. woody |
|
|
|
Post by Edge on Apr 8, 2004 19:35:33 GMT -6
..."The montana's take all I have to get the levers down without my feet ..."dang it,thats funny.
Or are you serious?If oyu're serious,is it the 2 coil or 4?
I'm *really*trying to wait til convention time to look at one of those,but you're makin me antsy...........
I'm getting the 2 coil variety with reg jaws,10 doz in fact,wanna give em a go.I'm hoping not to have to 4 coil for the first couple years.
Edge
|
|
|
|
Post by briankroberts on Apr 8, 2004 19:41:35 GMT -6
Most of my Coyote traps are four coiled and laminated, I feel that four weaker coilsprings make a better balanced trap than 2 really strong springs.
I know many Coyotes are held with 2 coils, I just like the idea of 4 coils and with the laminations and offsets I have very little foot damage.....B......
|
|
|
|
Post by dj88ryr on Apr 8, 2004 19:43:38 GMT -6
Edge, the 2 coiled model Montana will hold any coyote that you encounter. I can set the 2 coil model no sweat, and I haven't got the pipes you have, so your not going to have any trouble.
|
|
|
|
Post by woody on Apr 8, 2004 19:44:53 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D ;D Gotcha ;D I can set a #5 dls on my knee ;D If I ever get that weak, I hope the wife is putting me in a 6 ft hole Edge, You will like them Montana's ;D and yes they are 2 coiled. |
|
|
|
Post by dj88ryr on Apr 8, 2004 19:49:58 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by Edge on Apr 8, 2004 19:53:48 GMT -6
DJ,I'm not too worried about the yotes,its the dang mud and ice.Maybe I'll trap in PA next year...you guys dont seem to get real cold...just wet;I can deal with wet.
Woody,I'm glad you were kidding,I woulda felt bad saying that if you were serious.You should try setting a CDR with a bad thumb and bad pinky......if that setter ever slips off,the best I can hope for is stitches.
Edge
|
|
|
|
Post by dj88ryr on Apr 8, 2004 19:57:51 GMT -6
I have a ton of prime territory, way too much for me to do myself, you are more than welcome to come out and have at it. You will like the red fox numbers, I still am not sure about the coyotes, they are here and I see sign, but I only caught 3 this year, ( I really didn't devote as much time as I was taking reds right up till I pulled my traps ) but I am hoping papa Gappa and Co. will change that come canine day at the PTA.
|
|
