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Post by sRc on Jan 22, 2007 21:53:06 GMT -6
Double for deer and coyotes, but want to save the pelt. What would be the smallest caliber advised?
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Post by edge on Jan 22, 2007 22:05:13 GMT -6
243
Get a PSP that shoots well(pointed soft point)in the 70 gr range if you are looking for a one bullet for both.Try to avoid hittong major bones on the yotes and the holes will be sewable.I had a case or so of some real cheapies that shot like a laser;they may have been remingtons,I dont have any left,like I said,they were cheap.
The 22-250 is just too marginal for deer.I have taken several dozen with it,but only on permit work,it is by no means a deer caliber.
Not sure how long your deer season is,but with the Barnes X Bullet sighted in for deer and the above mentioned PSP for yotes,you really have 2 nearly perfect rifles in one.With the Barnes I have taken a number of Black Bear(several in excess of 400#;one shot kills)and whitetails too numerous to mention.The Barnes X makes the kill zone a bit larger.
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Post by SteveCraig on Jan 22, 2007 22:31:11 GMT -6
I agree, Cant beat the 243 Win for both. I shoot 60gr. Sierra Varminters for coyotes and I like the 85gr BTHP for deer sized game. I have killed a couple of elk with it too with 100gr PSP.
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Post by blakcoyote on Jan 23, 2007 13:08:45 GMT -6
I agree,the .243.,I've been shooting the federal v-shok in 100gr. sierra btsp,it's been doing a fine job on both coyote and deer,holes on coyotes are no bigger than a nickel.I did however clip one in the spine,high,and it made about a 3" hole,othere than that even hitting shoulder bone broadside or neck bone,low, with straight on shots,has only made nickel size exit holes.
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Post by sRc on Jan 24, 2007 18:43:31 GMT -6
thank you. My brother, who is not a predator hunter, is pushing for me to get a 270. I think it's just too much gun.
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Post by edge on Jan 24, 2007 22:03:18 GMT -6
A SP bullet from a 270 aint all bad;but it is the beginning of the big boys;absolutely not in consideration for fur.ADC;great,fur;no way.
Edge
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Post by lb on Jan 24, 2007 23:28:39 GMT -6
Some good suggestions. A 6mm or 243 makes a good dual purpose rifle. Of course, it depends on what type of hunting you do and where you hunt. A 25'06 is not out of the question as a dual purpose coyote/deer rig. Any of 24 calibers, you need to handload and select a good bullet for the purpose. I have a 25'06 Ackley and don't bother with different loads and different bullets. I use the 100 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip for everything, it exits a coyote without a big mess and is a very good choice as a big game bullet.
When I first started hunting predators, in the late sixties, the only rifle I had was a 270. Well, it worked okay for a season or two, but I gave up trying to find an acceptably accurate bullet for coyotes, considering the long range capabilities of the 270. I doubt that you would have better luck, unless you go custom and select a barrel with a twist to handle both heavy and light bullets. Really, it's not a predator cartridge, but makes a damned fine big game rig. My opinion.
I have owned both 243s and 6mmRem, and it's just a great choice to fill a dual purpose role. When I went to Aftrica, I brought a 300 Mag and a 6mm. I didn't shoot a single animal with the 300, used the 6mm for everything from Kudu to jackal.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by richc on Jan 25, 2007 6:34:05 GMT -6
I have whacked a lot of coyotes with .25-06, and .257 Ackley. The Ackley shoots same bullets as the .25-06, and nearly equal velocity. With these calibers, bullet choice is crucial if you wish to save fur. The 100 grain Nosler that LB uses is one good bullet. The 100 grain Sierra "pro hunter", and their 100 grain "Gameking" are also good choices. If you stay away from bullets that are dubbed "varminter", "SX", "Blitzking" etc. you will likely be ok. Always choose a bullet that is designed for deer sized game when coyote is your target animal. I have recently purchased a new Remington 700 "CDL" in .243 that I plan to use on coyotes. I have been reading about Speer's 85 grain spitzer for the .243, and it sounds promising because it is listed as a big Game bullet. The 85 grain Speer spitzer also has a good BC (around .400 or so) which spells good 300 yard coyote bullet to me.
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Post by sRc on Jan 25, 2007 18:46:39 GMT -6
anyone shooting the Browning ABolt in the 243?
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Post by edge on Jan 25, 2007 21:53:19 GMT -6
The smallest A-Bolt I have shot is in 338,but it is a very comfortable rifle to handle and shoot,smooth action;dull stainless finish,I like it.
rich,getting a bullet for deer sized game for coyote;wisdom.
I forgot about the 25-06;also a good choice.
Edge
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Post by sRc on Jan 25, 2007 22:07:29 GMT -6
OK forgive me, I'm new to this--would the 243 produce less recoil than the 25-06?
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Post by edge on Jan 25, 2007 22:33:17 GMT -6
Neither caliber is known for felt recoil;assuming a standard rifle in a standard configuration.
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Post by lb on Jan 25, 2007 22:34:45 GMT -6
Probably?
It's a smaller case, holds less powder, but the felt recoil comes from the weight of the bullet and the weight of the rifle, besides the volume of the case capacity. So, a heavy 25'06 shooting a light 75 gr. bullet might have less perceived recoil than a ultra light weight 243 with 100 grain bullets
By the way, I'm not much of a fan of the A Bolt. The 60ยบ bolt lift has less leverage on hard extraction, and if you plan on handloading, you will likely experience hard extraction, at some point.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by sRc on Jan 25, 2007 23:09:08 GMT -6
WOW, this forum is great!
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Post by richc on Jan 26, 2007 9:06:44 GMT -6
Coyotes have been my main target animal for something over 20 years. I started out with a .223, and at the ranges I was shooting them here in western Iowa the little .223 did a good job. It was way back then that I learned what a frangible bullet can do to a coyote hide when it strikes shoulder bone. From that day forward, I shy quickly away from any "varmint" bullets. In later years I bought a Remington 700 in .22-.250. I started shooting coyotes at longer ranges, but had a few run off when less than perfect bullet placement took place. Coyotes will often run a very long ways before they realize that they are dead. Dumb coyotes! Then I had two .25-06 rifles built on mauser actions. I loaded up 100 rounds of .25-06 cases with 85 grain Nosler ballistic tips and drove down to texas on a coyote whacking expedition. Did those little 85 grainer's kill coyotes? Man Oh Man, they were dead alright. Football sized exits were common. It wasn't long after that, and you would see me shooting something like a Sierra 100 grain "Pro-Hunter" bullets at coyotes. Fine coyote whackers, those quarter bores.
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Post by joe on Jan 27, 2007 19:58:50 GMT -6
I have a 25-06 built on a mauser action as well LOVE it. I couldn't get it to shoot 85 gr bullets might as well closed my eyes could have got just as close. But it sure likes to shoot those 117 gr sst reloads of course. I would suggest this cal. for some one who wants a good gun for deer or dogs. I got a 204 browning a-bolt this year love the little rascal but sure miss the 25-06 once in a while when a yote hangs up at a little out of range for the 204. Why not by 2 rifles? A guy can never have to many guns.
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Post by sRc on Jan 27, 2007 20:34:41 GMT -6
joe-who makes the 25-06 with the mauser action?
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Post by joe on Jan 29, 2007 12:52:44 GMT -6
Mine is built on a German 98 Mauser action by a local gunsmith in Salina UT. He has since sold all his stuff and retired.
Allot of guns are built on the Mauser actions. They are good strong actions, cheap, and easy to come by.
As far as your question goes Ruger would be the first one to come to mind.
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Post by FWS on Jan 29, 2007 14:51:00 GMT -6
This thread gives me the willys.
I can't imagine only wanting one rifle ;D
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Post by richc on Jan 29, 2007 16:55:25 GMT -6
FWS, Only ONE rifle? Now THAT is downright scary.
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