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Post by FWS on Jan 29, 2007 18:06:33 GMT -6
Even having only one rifle for each species is kinda scary. ;D
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joe
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Post by joe on Jan 30, 2007 3:22:19 GMT -6
A guy should have at least 1 rifle for every year he is alive!
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Post by FWS on Jan 30, 2007 9:55:26 GMT -6
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Post by edge on Jan 30, 2007 23:47:45 GMT -6
Just what I need ;3 kinds of ammo to keep track of.......in my pocket........
On the subject of multi-pupose rifles,I really like all accurate rifles,I own and shoot from 22 lr to 458 Win;but whenever I show my rifles to someone,they ooh and ahh until they get to my 243 and invariably say"What happened to THAT one?".....its my go-to gun...it'll kill anything and rarely requires sighting in,functions well on neglect,and I have put literally countless rounds thru it(and it shows)......damn fine caliber and rifle.
Edge
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Post by sRc on Jan 31, 2007 22:04:18 GMT -6
edge-what make and model do you prefer? I'm shoppin.
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Post by edge on Feb 1, 2007 12:11:04 GMT -6
Most of my rifles are Ruger 77's.I have a few in stainless/synthetic and the rest are allweather(kinda like teflon)barrel and laminate stocked;all are heavy but I have yet to experience any technical difficulty that I didnt cause. Rugers are known for triggers that pull like railroad switches and I have had severl replaced with Shilen triggers,but any one I have that is newer than 4 yrs or so,the trigger isnt bad at all.On the all weather models,the trigger is fine as-is.
All my scopes are Nikon.
If you are on a budget and have a Wal Mart near you,they have a synthetic 243,all black and dull,dont recall if its a win mod 70 or remington 700,but its a tad over $300;very reasonable.
Edge
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 24, 2007 12:44:43 GMT -6
I just purchased a rem 700 sp in 25/06 and will use 115 gr Nosler Bal tips for coyotes no fur worrys ADC, and also use the same for deer and antelope.
I have my main coyote gun 22-250 with Hornady A-max bullets it does a great job on coyotes. I have been a fan of the 25/06 for along time as well. I like the better BC and wind bucking of the 115 gr bullet. I hope to get it broke in soon and this summer will use it on cooytes.
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Post by edge on Feb 24, 2007 22:28:53 GMT -6
**I have my main coyote gun 22-250 with Hornady A-max bullets **
Are those factories or handloads?
Good to see you posting BTW.
Edge
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Post by nib420247 on Feb 25, 2007 15:36:46 GMT -6
I just purchased a 243 mossberg with a 3-9 scope for 399...I had the same problem, I see coyotes when out deer hunting and would rather let them go than waste them for target practice, but next season, anything in range is in trouble, but now probably wont see not one yote and I'll have fox runnin all around, now if there was only a gun good for fox, yotes, and deer, and a trap for greys, reds, yotes, wolf, and lions.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 26, 2007 6:55:19 GMT -6
Edge those are handloads we have done up. 3,700fps. I think the a-max holds together better than the v max bullets at those higher fps. They will hit with a good power out to 600 yrds. 52 gr's.
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Post by edge on Feb 26, 2007 19:28:09 GMT -6
Thanks,maybe I'm gonna have to try handloading again........back to the sp's for me.....
Edge
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flea
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Post by flea on Feb 28, 2007 7:43:17 GMT -6
Don't be afraid to just get a 220 swift or a 22-250 for a good all around deer and coyote rifle. I have a Ruger mkII VT 220 swift and have killed alot of deer and elk with it. Some might say it isn't the optimum caliber for deer and elk but not sure how many of them have actually used a smaller caliber for deer and elk. I have a 243 also that I killed my first elk and deer with. It is a great gun and I still take it sometimes. Once the fur starts getting good there is only one gun in the truck with me though, my 220 swift. I have never shot a deer or elk that has gotten away wounded. I always try for a head shot first. The deer drops when you shoot it, no meat gets wasted and best of all your friends will be impressed. If you miss a head shot chances are very high that it will be a clean miss. A good placed shot through the heart and your deer will be very dead as well. I guess it depends on how good of a shot you are. A deer shot in the head with a 220 swift is just as dead as one shot with a bigger gun and coyotes you shoot will still have their hide on them. Get the gun you are most comfortable with and start shooting. The best thing would be what most guys have said and get 2 or 12 guns but if I could only have one caliber I would go with a 220 swift.
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Post by lb on Feb 28, 2007 12:03:11 GMT -6
Flea, I have no doubt you are a nice guy and a cool shot, but dropping elk with head shots to impress your friends is a weak arguement for a 220 Swift as a double rifle.
When you don't know people and their application, we need to be cautious in recommending proven cartridges for general all around use. After all, why is there so many 30'06's and 223's, if one is just as good as another? While it is amazing what can be done with any particular cartridge and rifle combination, there are good reasons why deer rifles are one way and varmint rifles are a little different. I think there are a few states that require (at least) twenty-four caliber for big game? Maybe it's because, in the past, they have seen people trying to impress their friends with completely inadequate firearms?
Head shots are for specific situations. Depending on the distance, the hunter needs to realize that's the first thing that will move, on an animal. Have I done what you suggest? Yes, in fact, but I am very careful as to who I discuss it with, and it is (for sure) not on an open forum on the Internet because there is no room to state all the conditions and whatnot. I can just see somebody reading about how another guy shot an elk with a 220 Swift, and decided to try it, himself....armed with 4,000fps, 45 grain VMax's, cross canyon.
Good hunting. LB
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flea
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Post by flea on Mar 1, 2007 0:01:37 GMT -6
No problem Lb. I said the part about impressing your friends mostly in jest, sorry it didn't come across like that. I am not even sure if the guy has a elk in his state, I was just trying to let him know he had options.
I understand what you are saying but if someone is going to take hunting serious they should understand what shots they can make and what shots they should hold off from. I don't take just any shot, I wait for a good one or I don't shoot. Sorry if you took it the wrong way but I don't shoot everything in the head either, I just ment that if the head shot is there thats the shot I try to take first. It is the guy pulling the trigger that is responcible for his weapon of choice and how good he is at hitting his target. I thought everyone was supposed to learn that short of thing in hunter saftey. Just because I read it in a magazine or on the internet doesn't mean I try to kill deer out to 6-700 yards. That is beyond my range and I know it, I practice sometimes at that range so I can maybe get better. I have read about a guy shooting an elephant with a 22 cal before but that doesn't mean if I ever got to go on a safari thats what I would take because I read about some guy once.
I see alot of hunters come from town every year that have their 338s and 300 win mags and most of them couldn't hit thier arse with both hands. Not saying that nobody can be accurate with that big of rifle cause I own a 300 H&H mag and can shoot it fairly well, but most people don't put in the practice time to become good shots. They pull there guns out the day of their hunt run a few rounds threw it and head out. They don't like to shoot it for practice because of the recoil. I have talked to alot of people that way and always hear about the damn elk that got away.
Maybe if those type of people would move down to a slightly smaller caliber, one they could handle, they would become better shots and lose a lot less game. That is why I suggested the smaller gun. Everybody can handle the recoil, you can shoot alot more with it for practice before getting fatigued, and shooting coyotes and such after hunting is over helps you get used to your rifle and I don't think it is marginal at all for deer sized game. I will agree that it isn't the best rifle for elk, but I don't think a 338 is needed for elk either. My point was that if you can shoot it well it will work for alot of different things.
Sorry if you figured me as an unresponicble idiot that takes terrible shots and trys to blow his horn on the internet. I am not that way and hate to come across like that.
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 1, 2007 11:15:03 GMT -6
Flea , after reading your post i got no such impression, in fact i think your post stresses the most important factor in being a successful hunter and that is accuracy.
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Post by lb on Mar 1, 2007 12:56:09 GMT -6
flea, I might have come on a bit strong? I have read your posts before and do not have a negative opinion of you. You figured out the details, head shots, impress friends, not enough information, not suitable for everyone, etc.
As far as the above poster, you might have a slight comprehension deficit if you cannot see the potential for misinformation and abuse, in what flea wrote? I know that was not his intent, and my reply should be (but perhaps was not?) taken as a cautionary comment, rather than a put down.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 1, 2007 14:11:43 GMT -6
I guess i am the above poster and my comment was not directed at you and is not in reference to the potential misinterpretation of what he wrote. it address a comment that flea made: And i think at this piont that i"m not the one with the greg
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Post by lb on Mar 1, 2007 18:27:09 GMT -6
...well, it's not obvious, Amigo?
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 2, 2007 7:12:48 GMT -6
Well , your right after rereading the posts i guess it isn't that obvious , but that is what i intended. greg
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Post by mmwb (Andrew Parker) on Mar 2, 2007 22:23:43 GMT -6
"Even having only one rifle for each species is kinda scary"
Kinda like taking the truck 20 miles up a two track, requiring 4wd all the way...without a spare. Actually two rifles...er spares would be better...
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