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Post by Mike Prust on Sept 19, 2012 16:57:50 GMT -6
Just wanted to revisit this and get some others input. Over the past couple years, I have had numerous trappers tell me, their catch rate went up 10%, simply by nightlatching their traps. I was/am skeptical, but trying to keep an open mindset, I nightlached many of my traps last season. The way I normally adjust/set my traps is to file all burrs and square up the needed surfaces, for a crisp firing trap. When setting I place the dog into the pan notch, and then pull the pan all the way up, pushing the dog to the furthest outside point. I then pull the pan down level with the jaws, (this eliminates pan creep). At this point the trap is adjusted for 1/16" pan travel before firing. I prefer this system over short latching because it does eliminate the pan creep. Now with "All things equal" I had NO difference in catch rates. Throwing out the misses one will have regardless (deer, Bear etc) I wonder what the miss percentages these trappers are having to be able to increase their catch by 10%. I believe there must be other factors at work to help with these increases.
Mike!
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Post by seldom on Sept 19, 2012 17:46:10 GMT -6
Well Mike, if your pan was sitting 1/32" back from the end of the dog with your "eye-balling" system and after night latching, the pan was sitting 1/32" back from the end of the dog, the firing of the trap would be the same! With all things being equal, you shouldn't have seen a difference! A 1/32" set-back will always be a 1/32" set-back regardless if it's in notch form or eyeballed. Night latching just gives uniformity and consistentcy to the set-back.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Sept 19, 2012 18:44:36 GMT -6
well said Mr.seldom and I agre 100% and I have taking the ledge that the dog sets on down further then 1/64 and put a 45 degre agale on my dog and I really like it that way and I could see a big diffrents in catch rasho BUT it so fine that the sharp eadge will not hold up,it eather breaks off or wares off. but 8 or 9 years ago I tryed the Paws-I-Trip pans and I just love them. and I can take them down so short on the end of my dog that I have all most 0% pan travel and I don't even need a pan cover of Trapper's cap ect,ect, man that is the way to go, for me anyway, I have them on every Trap I own. and the ones that are not on yet I have the new pans for on them. of cores I am a Dealer for Ed Medvezs and that really helps with the cost, but if you have not tryed the Paws -I- Trip pan sytem mike then you need to give them a try. BUT they have to be set up just right to work the way you want them to work for you, I tell you what Mike if you have not tryed them you pick out one of your Traps that you would like to try one on, coilspring, longspring, ect, it does not matter I have them all on stock, and you tell me the type of Trap you chose and I will send you a FREE Paws - I - Pan to try. and if you like them let me know I will hook you up with all you need at the best price you will ever find. now this is not a marketing skem, just like to help out my fellow Trapper's if I can, thats all no more no less, so you say the word and we will have you one on the way, you can even buy them from someone eles make no matter to me. I don't need the Money I just do what I do becuase I love to do it.
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 19, 2012 19:53:03 GMT -6
I'm still a short notch fan. And I could never see where a 45degree angle on the UNDER side of the dog accomplished anything. If you roll a ball off the edge of a table It doesn't make any difference weather the table Is 1/2" thick or 8" thick when the ball reaches the edge It falls off.
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Sept 19, 2012 20:03:19 GMT -6
I'm still a short notch fan. And I could never see where a 45degree angle on the UNDER side of the dog accomplished anything. If you roll a ball off the edge of a table It doesn't make any difference weather the table Is 1/2" thick or 8" thick when the ball reaches the edge It falls off. well there is only one thing to say about your reply, its just comen sents that the thiner the eage you are setting on the less travel you have to fall off it,  if you can't figer that one out then I don't know what to tell you Mr,Beav, you need to stop play with balls on the table and start studing you Trap latchs a little more closer  |
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 19, 2012 21:31:34 GMT -6
 A edge Is a edge. I use to file that angle on the under side of the dog. I soon found out a nice square filed edge accomplished the same thing with a lot less work. The thickness of standard dog Is less then a 1/8 inch thick I don't see where making It thinner makes a difference. Any way my catch never dropped off when I went to a nice square edge. How does the thickness of a piece of metal effect pan travel ? I figure that my short notch Is about the same as a night latch. Only difference It's a one step set up while a night latch Is a two step system.
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Sept 20, 2012 6:04:21 GMT -6
you might be right Beav, I sorry for getting so smart mothed about it. I would like to ask your forgiveness on the way I replyed to your post I AM SORRY, maybe I just thought it was faster I don't really no that for sure, but it just seem to be so much more crisp and I just say I tought it was faster, anyway you desurve more respect then what i gave you and again I'm Very Sorry Mr.Beav
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Post by trappnman on Sept 20, 2012 7:29:33 GMT -6
if you have a lot of creep in your pans before firing, a nitelatch or a short latch system will for sure reduce some empty snapped traps.
I cannot see how a full nightlatch would do anything more than a short notch, or more aptly its NOT going to be any different since a short notch, is simply the last step of a nitelatch.
I agree with beav on the angle
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 20, 2012 7:36:22 GMT -6
The thing Is that If something gives you more confidence In your catch rate then go for It. Confidence Is a huge factor In your success rate.
It's all about pan tension. If the animal has committed It's weight on the pan a little pan creep Is not going to be a factor. Pan creep Is all hinged on the depth of the pan notch.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 20, 2012 7:40:33 GMT -6
exactly- a short notch t is just so one doesn't have to set and eyeball each set trap
a little pan creep isn't going to be a factor, but setting full pan notches as some traps have, can be. Its why I went to short notches
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Post by Mike Prust on Sept 20, 2012 8:48:05 GMT -6
The pan creep I was refering to is from the pan bolt not matching the size of the drilled bolt holes causing a small amount of pan creep. I agree, this may not have any effect, but I just do not like it. Also I think everyone is missing the point. Has anyone, had an increase in catch percentages simply due to night latching? If so, why? Beav, sending a PM
Mike!
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Sept 20, 2012 11:12:54 GMT -6
well I hate to say anything more after the way I acted with Beav, and again Beav I beg your forgiveness Sir, I was way out of line and I'm very Sorry for that, I guess I forgot my own life long saying of I have alway learn with my ears not my Big Mouth, excpt for asking questions, so my very bad, now with all this out of the way now, I don't know if it is just a coquendence or what but I do know that I have 99% less fired empty Traps with the nightlatch system, But I'll tell you what I'm going to do Mike I have a very good Friend that is a gensus of a mechanical engineer and I'm going to run this by him and see what he has to say about it, so I will get back with some info from a real pro on this kind of stuff. but anyway I do know this much, that after takeing ALL the pan drop out of my pans and not haveing to use a pan cover polly fiber Trapper's cap ect, ect, that alone is priceless to me.
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Post by mattduncan on Sept 20, 2012 11:15:23 GMT -6
I'm still a short notch fan. And I could never see where a 45degree angle on the UNDER side of the dog accomplished anything. If you roll a ball off the edge of a table It doesn't make any difference weather the table Is 1/2" thick or 8" thick when the ball reaches the edge It falls off. well there is only one thing to say about your reply, its just comen sents that the thiner the eage you are setting on the less travel you have to fall off it, if you can't figer that one out then I don't know what to tell you Mr,Beav, you need to stop play with balls on the table and start studing you Trap latchs a little more closer It seems to me your theory would only apply if the pan notch and dog were moving at 90 degree angles to each other , but as the pan is moving in an arc it would make very little difference |
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Sept 20, 2012 11:34:09 GMT -6
well you may very well be right about that Mr.Mattduncan, but the thing is you can't do it anyway as I have said in post above, all you get done is replaceing dogs, they ether brack off on thin eage or whear off. so I don't do it any more anyway so I'm out of this seen about it, as I have went to ALL paws - I - Trip Pans and I couldn't be happer with the setups I have now, all so I like to set my pan tencion betwean 3.5 to 4 lbs. and no more junk catches, and we are loaded with possems are here and rabbets But those Day are over with being agarvated with them. but that some time to get to know your paws - i - Trip pans and How to fine tune them, anyway Thats my way might not be for everyone but it is the way i like it.
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 20, 2012 11:59:43 GMT -6
The pan creep Mike mentions Is do to the pan bolt ears being to wide. When you tighten down pan bolt the ears only close on to the top part of the pan shank. If you drill out the hole and replace the bolt with bolt that actually fits the new hole and then you add a washer or to between the ears and the pan shank you will create a even surface so when you tighten the bolt It will put even pressure on the whole side of the pan shank thus eliminating that false drop.
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Post by bogio on Sept 20, 2012 14:14:31 GMT -6
all so I like to set my pan tencion betwean 3.5 to 4 lbs. and no more junk catches, and we are loaded with possems are here and rabbets But those Day are over with being agarvated with them.. If your tension is heavy enough to avoid possums and rabbits tripping them, you don't have concerns about a percentage of target animals not firing them either? |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 20, 2012 19:18:02 GMT -6
Yes I agree PIT pans and the round dogs are excellent for coyote trapping! No messing around with drilling, filing etc. pinch on the pans, attach the dogs and you have a great setup for any 2 or 3 sized trap. All my bridgers have PIT pans and dogs and I hear now they are making drop down pans ! I will be ordering some to see how they work! On my 2 bridgers should be a deeper hold!
PIT's area great setup! No problems with 3-4 lbs of tension for coyotes. They fire crisp and clean and only take commitment by the coyote to offer nice deep holds.
Prior to that I was a gun notch guy worked well too, but more work without a doubt. Glen S showed me a quicker and proper way to make a gun notch with a standard pan and dog. Again worked but more work than the PIT's.
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Sept 20, 2012 21:48:07 GMT -6
yes I have no problem with 3.5 to 4 lbs pan ten, and if you do catch a fox or coon with that much ten. he is deffently worth takeing home to the fur Shed.
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Sept 20, 2012 21:58:08 GMT -6
if its one thing i lurnd around here in my neck of the woods is these Coyotes are always on the move and when they come throw you had better have every thing in order and not have 6-8-or 10 possems hoged up in your sets becuase it might be 3 to 4 weeks before they come thorw that spot again.
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Post by caninecrazy on Sept 22, 2012 22:26:08 GMT -6
Mike I run the P.I.T. pans on my #2 Bridgers and Sterling Pans which are also a P.I.T. product on my 1.75 Dukes, just knowing when I hear the audible click means Im ready for business is worth it to me. I do not know that you would have a 10% increase catch ratio going to this setup, as mentioned you have your normal deer, bear, etc empty traps as thats what the writing in your trap pattern tells you. If your not seeing canine sign in your set off trap patterns it would be hard to justify a 10% increase over your modifications that you presently use. We all have our preferences but if its not broke dont fix it. I would tend to think trap placement would play a greater role in a catch ratio increase than any experienced canine trappers pan setup. I know you catch your fair share of Canines and only you would know if you missed one out of every ten you caught. My two cents
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