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Post by netrap on Jun 4, 2012 9:12:41 GMT -6
With good clearances on the coon a the may sale, how does everyone feel the market will do for this season. Is there room for more coon?
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Post by martybaxter on Jun 4, 2012 12:20:54 GMT -6
600+k divided by 400+k = 70% clearance
$18 for the golden triangle coons
$16 for the run of the mill NE/IA coons
$13 for the KS style coons
That's according to yesterdays official report.
I saw literally tons of coons bought for these kinds of prices on the carcass this last season.
Next season will always be differnt, and we won't know anything till it starts.
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Post by netrap on Jun 4, 2012 13:54:46 GMT -6
100% clearance on my coon. $21.38 ave. Well at least my type of coon is in demand.
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Post by robertw on Jun 4, 2012 14:46:14 GMT -6
$18 Missouri coons.
$13 Mississippi coons.
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Post by kskoons on Jun 4, 2012 17:41:53 GMT -6
You will hate me, but I pray the great north (NE, MN, WI, IA) get blasted with cold and ice early! Froze in by Nov. 1st. Then we will have a coon market, and my SE KS coon will shine!
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Post by netrap on Jun 4, 2012 18:07:56 GMT -6
I agree kscoons. Give 2-3 weeks and then cold and ice.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jun 4, 2012 19:12:38 GMT -6
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Post by Bogmaster on Jun 4, 2012 19:55:22 GMT -6
John, things will be different this year---you will get froze up early and MN and Wi will have a long open fall--LOL.
Wish bad on us and it will turn right around and bite you--KS coon will always shine--in your own mind.
Order your snow blower,shovels and ice melt now.
Tom
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jun 5, 2012 5:12:59 GMT -6
You will hate me, but I pray the great north (NE, MN, WI, IA) get blasted with cold and ice early! Froze in by Nov. 1st. Then we will have a coon market, and my SE KS coon will shine! Me too. Seriously |
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Jun 5, 2012 7:06:34 GMT -6
If it takes a production catastrophe to create sales then there really is no big fur market, just some cherry picking of the fur they want and then bid up for that.
Coons must still be relatively cheap compared to other fur when the Golden triangle coon are rare and hard to get they can move to the lesser furs. All it really says is the will compete heavily for the most desired when available but any coon will fit the bill if we can't have what we want or they sell cheap enough.
With rancher adding over 1-2 million pelts a year and those are absorbed but a swing of 200K of coons creates a market crisis? Most of us must not have paid enough attention in Econ 101 when they covered macro economics.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Jun 5, 2012 8:09:08 GMT -6
as someone told me the other day, this sale shows you just how shallow this wild fur market is.
as far as early cold and snow in Mn- I trapped, or tried to, opening day in the halloween blizzard- no fun let me assure you.......
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Post by blackhammer on Jun 5, 2012 8:46:11 GMT -6
It's not as shallow in coon as many thought.I believe your are looking at great demand for cheap fur.They sell rats and beaver for 7 dollar and 22 dollar averages respectively they sell them all.It means a trapper has got to produce more to make money.Kind of like everything else unfortunately.I remember Halloween all too well trapperman.It was the season that never was.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Jun 5, 2012 9:50:28 GMT -6
No different than any commodity. The price of corn got too high and buying to feed livestock dropped off. The economy grew too slow and thus less gas used and ethanol usage drops and corn and 2011 crop corn has fallen about $1.35 per bushel. New crop for next fall looks like about $4.65 right now. Everything could change but will 14.5 billion bushels go unsold? No it will just sell for a lot less than when there was 12.5 billion bushels and a small carryover. If $12-$13 rats are being bought back that were selling for $14 in February and rats are hot then the market is shallow and or extremely nervous. What happens in Europe is not a big deal on fur, but if the Euro looks week the world will buy dollars and that makes the dollar strong. The big fur economies of Korea, China, Russia and yes India are looking at slower growth and that could really change the fur markets and the trade.
Interesting that a year ago the high fuel prices were blamed for our sluggish economy and today low fuel prices are used as a sign of a poor economy for us in the future. It just matters what your selling and to whom and when I guess.
Bryce
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jun 5, 2012 11:01:03 GMT -6
Bring the cold and snow on.
Hopefully the beaver market holds, we seee ten below about nov 5th, and then ma nature piles her deep.
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Post by blackhammer on Jun 5, 2012 14:11:50 GMT -6
Bring the cold and snow on. Hopefully the beaver market holds, we seee ten below about nov 5th, and then ma nature piles her deep. Macho northern fools!  The best scenario is a cold snap so everyone quits and leaves all the fur for a hardcore like me and it warms up a little. |
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jun 5, 2012 17:34:09 GMT -6
Sumpin like that.
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Post by seldom on Jun 5, 2012 17:39:36 GMT -6
Bring the cold and snow on.
Hopefully the beaver market holds, we seee ten below about nov 5th, and then ma nature piles her deep. Better believe it! Want it, need it, gotta have it!!!!  |
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Post by sbhooper on Jun 6, 2012 5:48:46 GMT -6
I equate the fur market to cattle or anything else that is done at auction on a supply and demand basis. Prices can go up or down on a whim, depending on the demand and economic stability.
I think the world-wide economy is going to be the single most improtant thing next season and it does not look good right now.
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Post by robertw on Jun 6, 2012 6:38:15 GMT -6
Considering the DOW, the American dollar and the price of crude oil this week, I'm glad they sold what they did. Hopefully over the summer the remainder of the coon will sell private treaty as the manufacturers need them.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 6, 2012 6:47:39 GMT -6
the DOW, the American dollar, and the price of crude oil, all remained the same for ranch furs
bottom line is manufacturers DON't want wild fur at any level beyond bargin prices (with the exception recently of rats)
as pointed out by many, the wild fur market has zero depth to it- one trapper in some backwoods town picks up his traps agan, and he causes "overproduction"
the world has grown 5x in population over past 50 years- and the volumes of wild fur are nothing to what they were back then- yet, our markets (demand) aren't even close to what it was 50 years ago.
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