Alcatraz DP traps update pics on pg 4

[thebeav2]

One situation doesn't make It a regular pattern.

Steve a reno when you run 50 or 60 or 100 dps a day then I might look at your theory with some credibility. A large sampling tells the true story when it comes to what really works.

[kspanky]

i am no expert but last year I ran a couple of dozen dukes for about a month and tryed differnt stuff the cat food with coon potoin worked great but the rodents out here really worked it over! I made thr traps hair trigger and started catching them.
I set some of the daggers by my shed thisyear and never had one cleaned out just dead mice.

[coyotewhisperer]

I got some of that coon potion based off your tip kspanky its great stuff. going to mix it with cat food also. whipping up that other recipe tommorow.

[RiverRat]

One situation doesn't make It a regular pattern.

Agreed -- I never said it was a one time deal.

[thebeav2]

Yep I have watched lots of trail cam footage and witnessed coon working and working a DP and finally getting caught. But there was something In that trap that made It continue to work the trap. And I have also viewed footage where the coon worked that trap and I'm assuming cleaned it out and moved on. And I've seen coon just plain ignore a DP.

Use every tool In the box and give yourself the advantage.

[RiverRat]

I've seen coon just plain ignore a DP. dirt hole, slap and go, baited pocket, it could go on and on Nothing is 100 %

I have watched coon go up and down the bank cleaning out my pockets only to come back from #4 and get caught in the #1 pocket.

[trappnman]

beav- perhaps if you tried a liquid bait, then perhaps your conclusions would have some credence- I've tried jack mackeral. prepared baits AND liquid baits- and by trying solid edibles AND liquids, I see no differnce.

but I'm thinking this is the same as the black pipes and catching beaver at dam edges under ice-you GOT to try it, to know.......................

[trappnman]

there is an old saying in field trials- don't worry about the guy travelling 500 miles with 10 hounds- worry about the guy travelling 500 miles with ONE hound.

[bobcat77]

Hello, question for you guys that have used coon potion...which flavor seems to work the best for you? Thanks!

Corey

[thebeav2]

Now that Is a joke worthy of a real laugh.

The guy with the most dogs will win or place In more tests then the guy with ONE dog.

Then again that guy might be a professional trainer and might be working those dogs for Individual owners. And just maybe those dogs are the top of the line.
And then again that one dog guy might have his dog come up lame or It comes down with some doggy aliment or that dog just might just become lost. I could go on and on . But In the long run the guy with more dogs will come out ahead.
It's just like testing lures or baits or trap sets. One Isn't going to cut It.

It's just like any scientific study the larger the sample the truer the results. Running 6 dps or what ever small number Isn't going to to show the true potential of either what your using or what I'm using. But when I run a 100 dps In a season and see what my results are then that Is the way I'm going to go. And that Is pure fact not fiction.
I bet Seldoms mink study took a large sampling over a long period of time. You just need to work all the variables.

[trappnman]

I can see, that you have run as many field trials, as you have used black pipes, or trapped beaver dams under ice, or used liquid bait in dps

answer being- never

when you have done any of the above- then we can talk.

hard to compare results- when you only have ever tried ONE WAY.

and the point about the fd trs, since it was like the roof- is that if someone travels 500 miles with ONE dog- chances are- its a damn good one. the guy with 10, is hoping the volume eliminates the variable

but back to trapping- you have argued with me over and over, on various issues, when the truth is revealed- you had zero experience in the opposing view. for example, you not only claimed you couldn't catch beaver at a dam under ice, and you denied that a thin waterline exists- yet I posted mucho pics, showing just that. another example is how oyu debated for weeks about black pipes didn;t work- then to find out, you have never used black pipes.

huh?

use whatever you feel you need- but when you come out with blanket statements that you MUST HAVE an edible bait, or you MUST HAVE white pipes...... I put that right into te catagory of those saying "can't use duke traps" "can't set at a backing canines can't see over, etc."

and that catagory is you don't KNOW- you are speculating.

and in the above cases- wrongly

as far as dps- I used them far before you ever did- and have continously through the years. In all conditions, in all seasons. with all the baits and lures I could think of.

so you using 100 in a week or two- really doesn't matter- ESPECIALLY when you have zero experience with liquids

[kspanky]

I like the "berry" coon potion I just hope no one else trys it I tried everything out there and the will eat this stuff makes them keep coming back.

[thorsmightyhammer]

That picture needs to go.

and catching beaver at dam edges under ice-you GOT to try it, to know.......................

I bet I've caught more beaver on dam edges than you and its not my go to.

[motrapperjohn]

agree with you steve, it dont look user friendly on fox. Thats what happens when you use BIG IRON were it isnt needed

[thebeav2]

Why would I use black pipe when I feel white pipe works better. Why would I trap beaver under Ice when I have a lot better places to catch them. Why would I use a liquid lure when a edible bait will out preform It. I have tried all your go to systems and I found out there were better ways and that's why I use the methods I do. I have been at this game a long time and I have sifted the wheat from the chaff. Keep doing what your doing no skin off my butt.

Go out and take a picture of your DP collection and then I'll send you a picture of mine. And you used Dps before me, sure you did all six of them.

Have a good day.

The Alcatraz trap should be outlawed It's way to rough on any critter with the sharp edges around the top opening. But I wouldn't expect less of any Lockleer product.

[doyleflory]

That pic should go and should show just how bad the trap is.

[trappnman]

I love it!

lets get out the whizzing stick!

hey, if it don't work for you, it CAN'T work-

gotcha.

[kspanky]

Steve what kind of dps do you use I have only used the dukes but i got 24 of the daggers they seem better but i wont know till season starts. what do you think?

[coyotewhisperer]

why all the hate for clint locklear? I cant see the pic its been cut down in size on my computer but dont greys tear themselves up on just about any trap? and does the alcatraz really affect an animal anymore than say a Yancy trap? I've seen video of a ton of coons in the alcatraz and they didnt have any damage that i could see. Have any of you nay sayers used the alcatraz?

As far as the coon potion from F&T Post this will be my first year using it i bought the berry flavor. You can smell it a mile away. Kspanky was nailing the coons with it so i got some.

[thorsmightyhammer]

Jeff, I dont personally have any problem with the alcatraz.

Never used one and probably never will. I am not a coon trapper lol.

My problem is the picture and from what I have heard about grays you are right.

And if that picture looked like that and the trap was a 1.5 coil, I'd say the same thing.