applying urine at the set?

[bluegrassman]

over the years iv'e read and heard lots of different ways to apply urine at your set. some say a squirt on the backing some say spray the whole set down. etc

what way do you all feel is the Best way to apply urine at the set?

squirt on the backing?

squirt down the hole?

spray the whole set down, trap pattern and all around the set?

just the dirt pattern and hole?

and what about flat/scent post sets? just the backing or the whole area over the trap and all?

like i said i've read and heard lots of different ways to do it but wander what you all feel is the best way.

[trappnman]

when I first got into coyote trapping, I read proper urine use, was to put a little on the backing. I was using speed dip at te time, and as I got better, I noticed way too much digging at the trap, or worse yet tracks everywhere but the trap. In a attmept ot stop that from occurring, I started spraying down everything around the set, including over the trap, pattern, etc. Over the next few years, I tried both ways and noticed that at leasto n sets that had been in the ground, and for sure remakes, my success rate was much better with spraying the urine. So I got into the habit of spraying all remakes, but no new sets. Then, years later, I read where O'G sprayed urine on rusting trap sets. so I figured I was on to something.

As the years went on, I continued to spray remakes, and traps that I thought might be rusty (from previous catches) with a increasing % of spraying new sets as well. two years ago, we were spraying maybe 75% of all new sets, 100% of all remakes. After talking with a freidn, I now spray 100% of all sets- and i notice the difference.

so, put me down in the camp that sprays urine as a suspicion remover, and does not use it as a lure.

[trappnman]

on flat sets as well- I make no post sets as such, unless I truly have a digger I care enough to make the effort, and then I'm apt to try the mafia set as written in hoofbeats

[claytoncarr]

Urine on the backing if I remember it for a dirthole. Definitely on a remake.

Flat set, urine on the turd, and on a clump of grass that is not the backing where the lure goes.

If I have a trap kicked out of the bed from a kick back I make and X. Center of X centered on the pan.

If I am having visits with no commitment urine down the dirt hole usually gets them. 99% of the time. <---------- LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Collect your own urine so that you never worry if your using to much urine. or can affrod to use as much as you want.

If I have a dirthole that has to be too far from the trail for whatever reason or I think the wind might change I will run a heavy squirt from the set to where I think they will be.

[calvin]

I remember spraying sets when I was a kid (when we had fox). It seemed to increase my catch as well. For some reason I got away from it...and don't know why. The flip tops leaked less, I guess. Maybe I/ll have to buy a spray bottle this year just to see if it seems to increase my catch...again.

[trappincoyotes39]

spraying liberial amounts of urine can have postive results but can also have negatives results as well. Urine quaility, the amount of non targets it attracts rabbitt's, porcupines,deer and others are a few issues I have had with dowsing a larger area with urine.

It can help mask some rusting issues, I prefer to place new sets in the location as some coyotes don;t like small torn up areas, versus larger areas of disturbance even though masked with liberial amounts of urine.

Fox for some reason it sure did help back in the days of having fox LOL. For coyotes I use urine less for sure. Good lure and baits seem to work well for the most part but urine has it's place as well. Some believe coyote pee and coyote gland lures is a big no no at coyotes sets, I tend not to agree with that line of thought.

[bluegrassman]

which do you prefer red fox urine or coyote urine?

[trappincoyotes39]

I have never had troubles with either and coyote urine or gland lure has caught everything from pups to old adults for me. I don't see the voodoo that some claim to be taking place.

[cmr2]

I like fox for my own reasons ,one I think it is the less dominent of the two ,from this a fox that has been chased by a yote wouldn't be shy,the other is the yote is going to be territorial ,and its easy to get and cheap ,but I use both and have no real comparision for them as they both work well ,

[trappincoyotes39]

dominate of the two? How many small dogs ahve you seen shy away from a fire hydrant? A wives tale is all that is. Urine is mostly just that will tell you what they have eaten and drank. Outside of that not much else.Unless your collecting urine from Old male coyotes exclusively when they are on the defend mode, really makes zero differance. I have caught plenty of fox with coyote pee and coyote gland lure, again most gland lure is a mix of many coyotes and cut down, the glands from an old dog coyote at the "right" time might have some merit but the stablization of glands is tricky at best.

Plenty of coons and porcupines have been caught on coyote pee and gland lure as well.

A fox being chased by a coyote is going off other smells and not the urine or glands for the most part. How many fox are you going to come across in heavy coyote country to begin with?

I have had fox respond to me coyote howling then waiting 1-2 mins and play distress sounds and the end result is a fox wanting a meal. Animals learn through repition and a fox well isn't the brightest bulb in the bunch and they come because they lost all the fore thought of the howling and heard the dinner bell and that is their main focus.

[Rally Hess]

If your in Timberwolf country you may want to avoid coyote urine.

[trappincoyotes39]

avoid coyote urine but use fox??

[thebeav2]

I could never see the need to spray down a re make especially If It was the target animal caught at that set. The area already reeks of that animal odor and the urine and droppings It left.
On a flat set I believe that you should keep your urine and lure at a specific spot and not be spraying urine all over. Why would you want the target animal wandering around the set.

[coalbank]

Like to mix Bobcat, coyote and Red fox urine together in one bottle and use on some of the scent sets.

Don't spread it out myself on these but, concentrate on backing.

When younger my mentor showed to spray the pattern down on a dirthole. Have gotten away from this practice.

Like to make a urine line from trail to set with a quick squirt, sometimes in multiple directions. As said above if a catch of target is made, nothing else needed but to reset.

[trappnman]

lots of myths about urine-

everyone is certainly free, to use it as they wish.

but when I read spraying urine causes more "wandering at a set", it just makes me smile.

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I hear over and over and over- how "I just cannot caught coyotes at remakes"

I've never had that problem.

and at the same time, these folks tell me how they make their remakes.

hmmmn........................

one thing for sure, my train of thought on coyotes defintely has a western slant.

[thebeav2]

but when I read spraying urine causes more "wandering at a set", it just makes me smile.

Just keep on smiling.

I want the lure and or pee In one spot so that animal has only one focal point. I don't want that critter sniffing around all over the trap bed. Fox and coyotes don't spray Piss all over the area. It's very localized.

But If you need to spray piss all over the set and It catches you your target critter then go for It.

[scott kimball]

I have always set-up with red fox urine,no matter if i am after fox /coyotes.

never ( or at least cant remember ever ) spraying /misting urine at a set.always have had success squirting on backer.

I use urine for a few reasons (remove suspicion, as a focal point for their nose, as with coyotes it can be a challenging factor using red fox urine. )

as for remakes.... i always like the backer at any set to be a focal point so i always use new /fresh shot at all sets.I know at remakes the whole set smells of K-9 but i like one spot to smell the strongest and that spot i like to be the backer.

on remakes depending on which k-9 i catch is when i use specie specific urine.


Scott

[trappnman]

at remakes, or even fresh setsI feel the hole should be the focal point- and with lure and bait down that hole, it is. I use lure and bait, as LURE AND BAIT>

I use urine as a suspicion remover.

if you wish to use it as a lure, then that of course is up to you.

and yes, i'm still smiling.

[freepop]

Randy Smith also sparys sets, I believe he's a O'G stundent as well.

Thought provoking though.

Who knows if it helps cover human scent, provokes more curiosity, more padding around the trap, etc.

Just like anything else, if something works for you, do it.

Many times people concoct a reason that something works, but the only one that knows what an animal is thinking...........................................is the animal.

Results are measured in the fur sale.

[wheelie]

Squirt pee on one SIDE of backing (behind hole).
The coyote is drawn in by sight appeal and the smells of the lure or bait/pee. It then starts 2 investigate the area.
I feel a coyote when going "in" to bait/lure hole with urine on the backing (right or left side) will shift its feet over your set as hes smells both area's giving a better chance at stepping on well placed , solid bedded pan.

On remakes no pee needed as there is pee and poop all over the place from the last coyote and is a super charged area as it is.