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Post by ChrisM on Sept 8, 2011 21:27:19 GMT -6
Ok I have looked everywhere up here and cant find any Jack Mackerel. Not even the Walmart super center has it. In fact no one has ever heard of it. I did find some canned mackerel.
Is this the same thing? If not, what exactly is the difference?
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Post by blanchard on Sept 8, 2011 21:29:30 GMT -6
yes, thats it.
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Post by Horn on Sept 8, 2011 23:07:14 GMT -6
Same Same.
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Post by fishdaddy on Sept 8, 2011 23:09:00 GMT -6
why do you want it?
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 9, 2011 5:42:24 GMT -6
Thanks guys
Got a few recipes I want to try daddy!
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Post by FWS on Sept 9, 2011 7:50:41 GMT -6
For your purpose it's close enough. But there are different species of mackerel produced and canned all over the world, if the label says 'Producto de Mexico' or Chile, or one of the other Central or South American countries or California it's Pacific jack mackerel. It's also canned in the South Pacific, like Samoa. They're a pelagic fish found in huge shoals, like millions to tens of millions of them, and caught by big seiners. Like this catch off of Chile, where there's like 400 tons of jack mackerel in that one set.   |
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Sept 9, 2011 12:16:57 GMT -6
I think they are like aquatic wildebeests
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Post by FWS on Sept 9, 2011 15:37:28 GMT -6
That's actually not far from the truth Joel. We call the area offshore of Baja, CA, OR, WA, and BC 'The Serengeti of the Sea' because there are huge numbers of predators of all sizes and the prey.
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Post by fishdaddy on Sept 12, 2011 22:17:21 GMT -6
i always thought they were a lot bigger..
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Post by musher on Sept 13, 2011 4:27:18 GMT -6
i always thought they were a lot bigger.. That's what she said.  |
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Post by fishdaddy on Sept 14, 2011 0:23:14 GMT -6
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2011 9:11:45 GMT -6
Chris- I used to use a lot of mackeral for coon. I'd mash it all together in a bucket, then add a good doppllap of coon lure to it, mix it up, and use it. Did very well with it. I also used a mix of castor and venison scraps, mixed together with coon lure added, and did just as well.
many years ago, I decide to one season, try using no bait, but using fish oil for my medium to spread lure. The advantage, IMO, of using bigger chunks or amounts of bait, is to get MORE air surface for the odor to disipate.
by using fish oil/lure, I've increased (in pockets/dirtholes) the surface area of the lure, and the more air going over it with the larger pattern of lure, the more that lure gets "out there".
When I went exclusively to fish oil/lure over bait and lure, my catch % stayed the same.
since then, i've never looked back, and have not used bait (unless in deep winter in a have it might as well use it scenario) much since then.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 16, 2011 19:07:58 GMT -6
In pockets I'd agree with you.
Im gonna throw it in a blender with some glyco and turn to liquid. Squirt into and onto the lip of DP traps. Visiting with others Im convinced that what ever is used in the DP's needs to taste good. Figure this should. Dont plan to add any lure cause Im afraid they may not taste good. Also setting right in the trail how much "lure" is needed?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 17, 2011 6:41:29 GMT -6
lets make sure you heard the salient point Chris- if you put bait/lure ABOVE the trigger, then I'd guess I'd use an edible bait.
but there is no reason in the world, to have it be edible, if its under the trigger (which is easy to do with a liquid lure/bait.)
why not set some with an edible bait and no lure- and others with a good lure in them?
because unless you try both ways.................
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 17, 2011 7:12:06 GMT -6
I disagree 100 % There Is no way that you can get all of the bait? lure under the trigger. And a liquid bait/ lure will run out the bottom of the trap and collect on the ground. If this Is distasteful to the coon he won't commit to the trap. There Is also enough space around the trigger that a coon can and will get some lure/bait with out getting caught. If he doesn't like It he's not going in for seconds.
The simple answer to this question Is just use something that Is edible In your trap and most of your problems will go away.
I also believe that the use of a solid bait under and above the trigger gives you EYE appeal and at times will give you that edge when the coon just doesn't seem interested.
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Post by blackhammer on Sept 17, 2011 8:36:11 GMT -6
I disagree 100 % There Is no way that you can get all of the bait? lure under the trigger. And a liquid bait/ lure will run out the bottom of the trap and collect on the ground. If this Is distasteful to the coon he won't commit to the trap. There Is also enough space around the trigger that a coon can and will get some lure/bait with out getting caught. If he doesn't like It he's not going in for seconds. The simple answer to this question Is just use something that Is edible In your trap and most of your problems will go away. I also believe that the use of a solid bait under and above the trigger gives you EYE appeal and at times will give you that edge when the coon just doesn't seem interested. x2 |
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Post by calvin on Sept 17, 2011 11:27:58 GMT -6
I too have gone to a totally edible bait and now taste every coon lure I have and note the taste. Bad stuff gets hidden out of reach or dripping out the hole on the bottom of a DP and wont mix foul lure into a bait anymore.
I picked up some Dobbins Coon Candy at the Wisc Convention to try. Always had good luck with his products, personally. One taste and I knew to cap it and toss it behind the seat as I would have eaten it all on the way home...and good thing I have short arms or I would have tried digging it out on the ride. I even taste the baits now (for coon). Sure makes things easier as you don't have to worry about them tasting it before they caught. I actually put some where they can try it first many times now. This is a fairly new approach for me but I do see that it's working...for me anyhow.
Baits and lures seem to be a funny thing. What works for some doesn't seem to work worth a hoot for the next guy. I suspect application is much of the reason. Don't know, and Likely my issue with using Hardcore and pro coon. I know some do very very well on this stuff. I have some lying around that won't get used again (other than a car air freshener..I do like if for that). It's possible the taste (and my application methods) are at least somewhat to blame...and maybe all to blame.
To give the credit, Beave, and Sawatski got me thinking more about this in the past year or so...and thus my trial change. So far I have to agree with them.
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 17, 2011 14:57:10 GMT -6
Calvin you didn't taste Pro coon did you? that stuff will kill you  I think most trappers approach DP trapping like they do dirt hole trapping. In most cases In dirt hole trapping the animal never gets to the bait/lure at a dirt hole. But with DP trapping your counting on the animal getting a taste of your bait/lure. Now If your not quite on location a strong far reaching lure like Pro coon will get them to your trap location. But I never use It In the trap or where the coon can reach It. |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 17, 2011 17:27:08 GMT -6
calvin what makes you think dobbins is 100% nautral? |
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 17, 2011 20:09:05 GMT -6
It doesn't have to be natural It just needs to taste good.
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