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Post by thebeav2 on Aug 24, 2011 9:34:33 GMT -6
Mike all mine are built ridged and they still are a bit over the 6" width and height. Maybe by a 1/8 or so But I'm not going to worry about It the Inside dimensions are under 6X6 so If I have to go to court over 1/8" so be It.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 24, 2011 10:45:00 GMT -6
why you old scuff law you!  since Mn has no size limit (from what i understand)- what then would be the optimal size, for creeks 1-12' deep and about the same in width. again, my thought is to use them in natural current flow runs, or alongside vertical banks on vertical banks, or even in creek runs- should one block with stones/sticks? or just extra effort with little return? |
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Post by mustelameister on Aug 24, 2011 10:58:06 GMT -6
the Inside dimensions are under 6X6 The law is measuring the outside dimensions. Restricting the entrance will not make it legal. 6 1/8" is outside 6". Good luck! Kelly, the trap would still bow out on the 6" sides to greater than 6". I'm going to error on the law side. 5"x5" is still larger than a #110 Conibear opening and I've had no problems with 'rats swimming into those since 1964, eh? |
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Post by calvin on Aug 24, 2011 16:46:35 GMT -6
T-man. I was referring to runs in ponds, still water lakes. I have used them to some extent in smaller rivers streams as well. Blocking is helpfull where you can...especially over the top. Works well in neck down points in the smaller streams. Both rats and mink find them in those situations. Also as BE sets on bridge abutments. Can be a little more of a waiting game than pond run trapping but well worth it. Pin them down, however...T bar if you don't want them seen or a fiberglass fence stake if not an issue. Just make sure the stake doesn't hinder door action.
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Post by RdFx on Aug 24, 2011 16:47:32 GMT -6
Yeppers on 5x5 or 5.5x5.5
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Post by thebeav2 on Aug 24, 2011 18:40:17 GMT -6
Bunch of cowards.
Well I talked to my CO and He said. Guess I'll leave It at that.
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Post by mattduncan on Aug 24, 2011 19:48:27 GMT -6
why you old scuff law you! since Mn has no size limit (from what i understand)- what then would be the optimal size, for creeks 1-12' deep and about the same in width. again, my thought is to use them in natural current flow runs, or alongside vertical banks on vertical banks, or even in creek runs- should one block with stones/sticks? or just extra effort with little return? don't know if this has been posted before or not but it shows some of my setups |
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Post by calvin on Aug 24, 2011 21:42:49 GMT -6
Beav, I had the same issue in SD. They have a 12" max width. So you count out your 12 squares and bend them....and make a bunch. Well, if you measure, you find your (like said) about 1/8" over. Even had one guy post that you need to measure the diagonal way (from upper right to lower left) which puts you WAY over the max allowed. So I contacted a C/O out there and sent him a photo...which measured slightly over the 12" from side to side. He sent back that my traps were fine. Obviously just one CO...fwiw.
Nice vids Matt.
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Post by thebeav2 on Aug 25, 2011 6:23:03 GMT -6
If push comes to shove on this Issue I'll take my chances In court.
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Post by mustelameister on Aug 25, 2011 6:30:29 GMT -6
While you're in court I'll be running traps . . .  |
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Post by trappnman on Aug 25, 2011 8:13:57 GMT -6
blocking on top? now thats something I never would have thought of? can you elaborate?
matt- thanks for the videos-
does 6 x 12 seem to be "the" size?
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Post by thebeav2 on Aug 25, 2011 8:37:33 GMT -6
If we did that It would be construed as blocking and guiding. Not really Mike. 72 hour check on drowning sets. I look at It this way some one has to take one for the team. If I beat It In court that will set a prescient (SP?) and the rest of you round heads will benefit. This size thing needs to be nipped In the bud as soon as possible. |
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Post by calvin on Aug 25, 2011 11:07:00 GMT -6
No, not going to fly in Wisconsin, I/m suspect but overhead blocking is same idea as a dive pole for beaver. Some places you can use it and some maybe not possible. Neckdown areas in shallower streams where grass on the bank and protrudes out into the water is a good one. A colony or two side by side and pile of grass over the top. Just makes every rat and mink dive under the pile of debris. I think the mink like doing it as they show up pretty regularly in this situation. Sometimes have to jab a couple stick or whatever next to the trap above water so the debris doesn't float away. Kind of make a dam over your colony. Same in culverts, cattail narrows, etc. Might not work so good in the faster/rocky streams but I think a angled stick or two when using as a BE set helps funnel them in.
RK shows this in his rats by the 1000s vid.
I don't get the theory behind not being able to block in Wi. However the "save a turtle" issue holds no water, either. Seems if turtles the issue, the small size limit will cure that anyhow. Someone there really didn't want them legalized. So we have ANOTHER "compromise" which always ends up smelling, feeling and tasting like poo.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 25, 2011 17:43:14 GMT -6
Gary and I have talked about this but trying to "save" turtles is borderline comical.
I have no idea how many snappers I have 330'd over the years and aint been a one of them yet dead.
Or fish, ever try drown a walleye?
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Post by musher on Aug 27, 2011 18:17:07 GMT -6
matt: your door is made in two sections?
Our colony traps have to be a maximum of 36 inches long and a maximum of 8 inches per side. The law is actually written in cm. but I did the conversions for you!
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Post by trappnman on Aug 29, 2011 17:39:38 GMT -6
so, if given unlimited design options- what size would be the "perfect" size?
would wings or the black funnel option, be included?
I've never set one, bought 2 at my WI dist convention, and they are WI legal (or illegal as the case may be LOL sorry beav).....so 6 x 6 and I'm not sure how long
but reading this, its obvious 6 X 6 is a limiting choice-
so if I buy or build more, which i will do at WI this year, what would I be looking for?
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Post by RdFx on Aug 29, 2011 18:32:04 GMT -6
Talked to warden supervisor today and his charges and they said about same as what Beav has been talking about so thats what im going to do.....
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Post by thebeav2 on Aug 29, 2011 19:00:06 GMT -6
The WTA round table discussion on Saturday should be very heated. We need to have Olsen and Welkie SP at that discussion. This needs to be brought to a head.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 29, 2011 19:27:06 GMT -6
Talked to warden supervisor today and his charges and they said about same as what Beav has been talking about so thats what im going to do..... whats that Lee? Use some sense? I mean come on if the law says six by six why do some have to over think it? Sure it could bow out at the middle, but do some honestly think a warden will give a ticket? Does anyone honestly think it will stick in court? |
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Post by mustelameister on Aug 29, 2011 19:59:26 GMT -6
Talked to warden supervisor today and his charges and they said about same as what Beav has been talking about so thats what im going to do..... Lee . . . best go with the 5x5 this year. This thing is going to come to a head by rondy time, guaranteed. I'd put off any purchasing or making 6x6s until then. |
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