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Post by furking on May 10, 2011 17:51:41 GMT -6
Guys I have used some disposables but with cable. I see MNtrapline products cares some with chain. Has anybody ever used them like or dislikes. i have always used cable because it works for me and is cheaper then chain!
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Post by calvin on May 10, 2011 18:36:57 GMT -6
once I went to chain, I tossed out my cable (for earth stakes). MTP sells some with chain on them...or you can buy the same chain separate...as I do. Their stake chain is a thinner chain than some of the other stuff that is commonly used.
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Post by furking on May 10, 2011 18:49:57 GMT -6
Thanks Calvin
What length of chain are you running if you don't mind me asking 18" 16" Thanks
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Post by spring on May 10, 2011 18:53:32 GMT -6
Chain length would depend on your soil condition.
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Post by calvin on May 10, 2011 21:58:56 GMT -6
I think I cut mine 16" but I have plenty of clay so there/s extra chain above ground....which isn't an issue with chain. Cable is a problems with extra. That's the nice thing about chain, it just lays flat...bury it under the trap. When you move to a sand hill, you have enough length.
Yes, soil determines length. Easier to do with chain if in varied soils.
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Post by seldom on May 11, 2011 5:33:52 GMT -6
I think I cut mine 16" but I have plenty of clay so there/s extra chain above ground....which isn't an issue with chain. Cable is a problems with extra. That's the nice thing about chain, it just lays flat...bury it under the trap. When you move to a sand hill, you have enough length.
Yes, soil determines length. Easier to do with chain if in varied soils. The issue of not having the cable lay flat in the trap bed is easily resolved by "over-loading" the cable similar to the process of loading a snare loop except far heavier of a load. This is an older photo when I loaded the entire cable, now I just load the upper half.  |
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Post by Wright Brothers on May 11, 2011 5:59:46 GMT -6
How do you guys recomend conecting the chain to the anchor?
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Post by thebeav2 on May 11, 2011 6:10:33 GMT -6
I have never used chain on my earth anchors.
So here are a few questions I would have If I decided to use It.
1- would a earth anchor be harder to drive with chain In certain soils?
2- Would the larger void caused by chain allow rain to flow Into the void and lessen the holding power of the earth anchor?
Where I trap the soil Is very porous and any heavy rains will cause problems with the earth anchors ability to hold.
3- I can see where weight could be a problem . But probably not a big deal.
4- I would think cost would at least double over that of cable.
5- Removal could be a problem If the earth anchor would hang up. With chain you would be either be using bolt cutters or opening up rivets or S hooks. With cable It's a simple cut with the cable cutter or your pair of dykes. In fact In my situation I'm pretty much a cut and run guy. All my earth anchors are free so It's a no brainier for me.
I have used cable for a long time I have yet to see a problem with It.
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Post by garman on May 11, 2011 10:40:44 GMT -6
I started putting about 4 links of chain at the top of cable, cheaper than total chain and helps with laying flat in the bed
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Post by guest on May 11, 2011 12:03:09 GMT -6
Cable vs. Chain is a bit of a wash, unless you have a lot of rock and are prone to sheering off ferrules when you drive in the stake. For non-rocky soils, I don't know that the chain system has too many advantages other than not having to fight the cable loop sticking up in the air sometimes.
I use an S hook to attach the anchor to the chain, then weld the S hook shut. The difference in weight is negligible.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 11, 2011 15:50:30 GMT -6
I guess because of my soils I'm still a rebar guy for the most part, very hard soils here when dry or frozen, wish I had mid west soils but do not. I have used some pogo's with success in certain areas and use them on coyote snares, but majority of traps get rebar staked in.
Some day I might switch to an anchor system but very hard soils makes driving them a pain in the butt. Rebar I can swing hard and down it goes with no worries of busted parts or cast splitting out.
Garmen great idea going with a little chain I like it, as beav stated cost of chain anchors would make it a spendy deal if running alot of traps with them exclusivly. I have rebar stakes that are 15 years old and still going strong.
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Post by calvin on May 11, 2011 17:09:38 GMT -6
Yes, I probably still run as many rebar sets as earth anchors...maybe more but only really a smaller scale. I still have some learning to do. I got tired of the cable and then there was the corrision issue. After year #2, I was snapping them when retrieving them. I learned to bring my tile spade with when retrieving...A couple scoops next to the anchor sure makes a big difference getting them out.
MTP sells a small S hookd (mighty hook) that is made for attaching the anchor to the chain. I weld them shut as recommended.
If I was cutting and running, the cable is the way to go. If you want save the works, then I think chain will last a lot longer. I hated the cable, but that's just me.
I/m not tossing my rebar away....no way. However, I do find it easier to deal with the anchors in "some" soil types. Sand would be one of them. Hard or rocky stuff, It's rebar all the way for me.
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Post by northwind on May 11, 2011 19:23:11 GMT -6
I really like these cold rolled rings from Jason (DCTM) for attaching the super stakes. Weld shut and your good to go.  |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 12, 2011 13:11:08 GMT -6
Less profile for sure over an s hook. I like the way they look!!!! They look darn beefy as well.
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Post by trappnman on May 13, 2011 9:09:42 GMT -6
In my soils, its usually not a problem having a cable coil under the trap- I just drive it further in, so that some of the chain goes in, then when I set them, its about sight. If in a remake I got a bit of cable, its not too hard to lay it flat, and pound a little dirt over it.
Jasons rig looks like it would be a longlasting unit, but looks like it would be hard to get in and out.
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Post by calvin on May 13, 2011 10:01:36 GMT -6
That ring looks like it has a larger profile to me (verses an S hook). Maybe it wouldn't make any difference when its right next to the anchor though...maybe even a holding benefit. Heavier duty...that's for sure.
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Post by northwind on May 13, 2011 11:04:13 GMT -6
Pretty rocky where I'm at so everything seems hard to get in and out in most places. I just want it to come out in one piece. Here's a comparison pic. #3 chain, ring, mighty hook, heavy duty S hook.  |
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Post by CoonDuke on May 13, 2011 18:04:14 GMT -6
I use lock washers welded shut. The sames size JC uses for his shock springs.
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Post by trappnman on May 14, 2011 8:46:56 GMT -6
why not just use a J hook?
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Post by Wright Brothers on May 14, 2011 9:04:51 GMT -6
Steve, I think the talk is about connecting the chain to the ANCHOR head itself, not end swivel to cable. Some good ideas too.
Far as that cable loop, either load the cable heavy, or, shorten cable and lengthen trap chain works.
Earth anchors are nice, until the ground is rock hard like last season was here.
Within three days I was going to all rebar, and needed another driver.
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