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Post by robertw on Apr 11, 2011 18:31:32 GMT -6
Can someone please post the new regulations concerning reciprical trapping in South Dakota??
Thanks.
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Post by longbow on Apr 15, 2011 11:37:49 GMT -6
Robert- I believe this is what you are looking for. The statutory language change was proposed in Senate Bill 106. It was signed by the governor of South Dakota on 3/8/11. BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA:
Section 1. That chapter 41-6 be amended by adding thereto a NEW SECTION to read as follows:
No license to take fur-bearing animals may be issued to any nonresident unless the nonresident resides in a state that allows nonresidents of that state, including South Dakota residents, to take fur-bearing animals within that state.legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2011/Bill.aspx?Bill=106 |
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Post by robertw on Apr 15, 2011 11:56:57 GMT -6
Longbow,
Thanks so much, There has been alot of rumors concerning the exact wording and I had not been able to locate it on the Dept.'s website.
Again, thanks.
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Post by kelly on Apr 15, 2011 13:50:19 GMT -6
I will find out tomorrow the exact particulars regarding the previous late start for NR to see if that is still in effect. If it is then the SD law is not reciprocal.
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Post by 17HMR on Apr 16, 2011 7:11:36 GMT -6
Thanks for the info Kelly, let us know on the rest....
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 16, 2011 7:27:42 GMT -6
No matter If there Is a set back time for non residents It will still shut down the trappers from Mn where a NON resident can't trap no matter what. WI has a set back time for Nonresidents and we are reciprocal. It Isn't right but that's the way It Is.
I wonder how long It will be before we see a nonresident trapping license In Mn now that the SD cash rat Is gone.
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Post by calvin on Apr 16, 2011 8:02:02 GMT -6
Unconfirmed reports also saying their (SD) DOT dept is NOT happy with the MN ban. I wonder how much teeth the DOT dept over there has. I know if they have their way, this past legislation will be squashed. I was told personally by road workers. "We need you guys over here...some of these idiots just don't understand that".
I think the NR issue will be passed in upcoming years, here. I think this would benefit all trappers but I wonder if the SD DOT will try and get some emergency junction passed before that happens.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 16, 2011 8:20:10 GMT -6
Calvin- did you trap the same places as last year? was there any decrease in the population from last year to this?
I doubt if a law passed that eliminates one state, with a handful of trappers trapping SD really makes any difference overall, in rat populations.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 16, 2011 8:24:59 GMT -6
could not agree more-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 16, 2011 8:52:06 GMT -6
calvin the DOT won't have much to say in the matter. I will say they have been hammering the rats really hard with 1,000's being taken in the last month or so. So who knows they may have some impact on the dams and roads, they also have more worries flooding up that way alot of country under for sure.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 16, 2011 8:55:29 GMT -6
No Calvin they will bring In APHIS (WS) And It will cost the DOT $100.00 per rat.  From what I hear most of the sloughs and marshes never see a trap. No one walks no more then a few yards from the road. |
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 16, 2011 9:02:20 GMT -6
Next year the rats are gonna be in for it.
Gary's gonna catch em and I'm gonna skin em lol.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 16, 2011 9:29:22 GMT -6
Beav your funny  |
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Post by calvin on Apr 16, 2011 9:41:08 GMT -6
I hope it plays out just as it should with MN going with the NR license....as they should. Even if it takes an extra year or two...or some greedy buggers here get their way and it never happens. then yes, we get exactly what we deserve: Nothing. My only concern is that the road workers/landowners/businesses will suffer a bit. Each one has personally told me so and NOT happy with the recent change. Again, I think it needs to play out, but I/m not sure the local road crews will wait it out.
As for numbers of MN trappers trapping out there, one would be surprised at how many showed up. Much more than I expected.
Also correct that it is hard to dent the overall rat populations out there. For every roadside pond that a guy traps, there are many more behind it that doesn't get touched. Coupled with the spring run and they just keep backfilling.
As far as this not making a difference in the roads, I don't know. I do know I had some traps set next to the road where the loader went through. The guy about kissed me for at least trying, AND the rats I was catching were directly in front of his collapsed road. Meaning I was likely catching the rats that were burrowing into that section of road.
Bottom line is rat trapping in places makes the landowners and road crews feel better. And that's worth something. The DNR gives out "shoot" depredation permits to many landowners. They know it doesn't do squat to the population but it calms the landowners and the landowners relieve a little stress, so they issue the permits.
However, if a guy thinks he will go out there and have virgin trapping, he has another thing coming. LOTS of competition out there. Far more than I/ve ever seen. Even when I was hut trapping in the winter a couple guys had all the private land tied up. Far more than they could touch, but it was theirs.
Hey...Bobs back!
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 16, 2011 9:46:58 GMT -6
Calvin, how many rats would you guess that MN guys trapped/will trap out there this year?
I'd guess 50 thousand would be on the low side.
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Post by TRay on Apr 16, 2011 10:21:42 GMT -6
Even with the large number of rats being killed in SD I don't feel that we are doing anything to affect the overall population. It is nice to say we are as a PR move, but in reality there are just to many areas that are untouched by trappers due to access and flooded roads or wet fields. Most of the damage that is showing up in the roads right now was done last fall by the rats. With the water conditions that we have rignt now these rats will have 3-4 litters this summer and be thicker in the fall then they are now. Funny to think that 4-5 years ago it was difficult to run a rat line there was no numbers then.
It is really to bad that at a time when the price is good and the population is at a high point that we are not all allowed to take advantage to the situation. Rats are a resource that can and is putting alot of extra cash in guys pockets and that probally wont last very long.
Funny to talk to the guys shooting with kill permits who are killing 10-15 a night and inform them what the good rat trappers are able to kill in a day, it can open up some eyes.
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Post by mustelameister on Apr 16, 2011 10:26:16 GMT -6
I'm guessing even if the MN guys are banned next year there will be at least twice maybe three times the number of NR trappers from other states (especially WI) next spring as this year, myself and three other guys from this area included.
Will be interesting to say the least.
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Post by calvin on Apr 16, 2011 10:54:06 GMT -6
Steven, I would double that number and still say that would be low...but only a guess.
Muskrat...I believe you are correct. It will turn into a complete circus by next year, even without MN involved. The year following, I believe MN will return like this year and it will be a complete mess.
I like a little elbow room. That is already gone and going to get MUCH worse by next year. People are talking and scouting NOW for next year.
I will go back and hut trap this early winter (yes I can) but that's probably the end of it for me, realistically. Kind of like pulling a fish into your boat with others on the lake...pretty soon you have a dozen bobbers hitting the side of your boat because everyone thinks you are on the hot spot.
I saw the snow storm coming, grabbed my gear and fled. I foresee every trapper and their grandma heading out there in the coming years. I want nothing to do with that, either.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 16, 2011 11:19:06 GMT -6
Could be calvin.
It would all depend on how many guys are out there from MN but the average catch is probably in the 2000 range maybe even three.
Now I'm talking average, some guys will be more some will be less.
those with more time to devote will be in the 5 to 7 thousand range.
Pretty good bank to be made out there this year for the guys with time.
Last I heard its about near impossible to sell a carcass rat out there.
Bob you should go out there with twenty five thousand cash and could buy alot of rats for 3 bucks.
Rent a semi freezer trailer and fill er up. Wouldnt have a muskrat carcass shortage at the lost forty for a loooong time lol.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 16, 2011 11:52:13 GMT -6
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