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Post by outdoorsaddict on Apr 16, 2009 20:45:06 GMT -6
Another thing to consider is have a killing machine at your home. My Jagd has killed the neighbor's cat and a different neighbors dog. He is kept on a short leash but occasionally things happen(gate doesn't get closed, jumpes the fence). I have found that Jagd is not ideal for living in town.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 16, 2009 20:56:58 GMT -6
Exactly, you need to be very aware or what problem can/will arise from breeds like jagds, and the consequenses that can arise. We owe it to oweselfs as owners of such breeds, to not let their instincts get themselves into troulbe or situations, that have adverse effects on the dog, due to our lack of control.
I get a 100 people a year at conventions, wanting a "dog just like Jager" about 1 in 25 are really up to, and would really make themselves worthy of a Jagdterrier owner.
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Post by last chance on Apr 17, 2009 13:10:42 GMT -6
my jagd spike is 11 weeks old,and he been by my side every day all day since 6 week old.and will be forever.never will he be trusted alone!! hi$ a$$ been kick by cat many times now,and he don't care.
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Post by strow on Apr 18, 2009 21:27:47 GMT -6
Rich, I couldn't agree more with your last post.
The Jagdts can definitely be a handful if not adequately hunted and supervised. They are an 60lb dog in a 20lb wrapper. They seem to go through life looking through binoculars backwards.
I am amazed at how quickly they recover. You can hunt them sunup to sundown, feed them good, and they will be up before the sun ready to do it again. Day after day.
They do everyting I could ask of them on the trapline and calling.
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Post by tramperro on Apr 18, 2009 22:21:07 GMT -6
I've hunted, owned & raised jadgts for the last 15 yrs...biggest problem I've seen in them is you got to keep them busy...hunting! The one's I've been around have no reverse once they get started. You also have to break them like a hound from off game cause it's all fair game to them...lizards to grizzly bears. That bit about the cage trap coon is right....don't let them work a caged coon ...unless they're working on puppy teeth...most of my older dogs are missing their canines, either from coyote,fox, badger.....or getting loose and dragging the cage traps around the yard. Them teeth are important to a terrier, handicaps them a bunch....like when its getting real western down in the hole.
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Post by Cal Taylor on Apr 20, 2009 19:20:38 GMT -6
I have a jagd and while I'll admit that he has alot of try, I can't imagine he'll live to be a very old dog. He piles into a crippled or trapped coyotes too often. They may be great for fighting coons or woodchucks, but they are no match for a coyote and he has proven it repeatedly. But he is still alive so far, so we will see. He's not two years old yet and looks like a wore out prize fighter. He goes every day and I like the little fart, but I would never have another or reccomend them for coyote work.
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Post by trapperjoemo on Apr 20, 2009 20:10:39 GMT -6
Hey Cal, maybe you just need 3-4 more Jagds to hunt togather? Keep the coyote guessing from all sides! lol
I had a Paterdale for a few years that did not like culverts with dog chased coyotes holed up in them. He would not enter! I thought he was pretty dumb untill I saw him turn that down. That made me think he might have a thought in his head after all.
Joe
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Post by Cal Taylor on Apr 21, 2009 17:08:45 GMT -6
I always have a cur or two along for backup Joe. That the only reason he is still alive.
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Post by strow on Apr 21, 2009 17:35:51 GMT -6
Cal, what line of curs do you run? I have heard Cal Allen and Darryl Fry have some real good dogs. What is the average height and weight of your curs? Male or female.
Who is your Jagdt from? How well does he get along in the dog box?
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Post by Cal Taylor on Apr 21, 2009 21:14:25 GMT -6
I have 3 kemmer curs and one original mtn cur. 2 females and 2 males. They are from around 35 to 60 lbs from smallest to largest. I don't pay much attention to the particular strain, they either work or they don't. My jagd came form Heath Gustafson. He gets along good with other dogs, mostly thanks to Heath as he pretty much raises them with other (bigger) dogs so they get a good taste of it when they are young. Or so I was told. Whatever he did it seems to have worked because my jagd is not aggressive to other dogs at all.
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Post by strow on Apr 21, 2009 21:47:57 GMT -6
Do you think the size or color of the dog makes much difference in way most coyotes react to the dog?
How would you compare the trailing ability of your Jagdt with the curs you have seen. For trailing up cripples, drags, and locating dens?
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Post by Cal Taylor on Apr 22, 2009 5:57:44 GMT -6
Haven't noticed any difference in coyotes reaction based on color of dogs. The jagd I have blood trails OK. The curs vary quite a little. One of my males trails really good and is bigger so I mostly use him on cripples and drags. The other male can't smell for nuts, but is one of the best decoy dogs I have ever had.
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Post by trapperjoemo on Apr 22, 2009 6:33:30 GMT -6
Interesting how those Kemmer dogs got around the country. I bought Kemmer`s Yellow Jack II from a gov. coyote hunter in NV., who got the dog from Derril Fry. Jack couldn`t get along with other dogs. He was only 35 pounds. Turns out a few years later he was the last of his blood line, and I had people coming here from everywhere to get their dogs bred to old Jack. Jack`s dad was a hall of fame dog too, but I never used Jack II enough to prove him that good. There have been a lot of great Kemmer dogs over the years.
Joe
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Post by strow on Apr 22, 2009 8:09:51 GMT -6
Cal, or anyone else. If you could improve or change any of the Cur's qualities for trapping and decoy work what would it be?
The only negatives I have heard from guys who actually hunts them is that some don't trail real well and that you have to be much softer with them and start them slower than Jagdts. If they have a bad experience early on it may turn them cold.
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Post by tramperro on Apr 23, 2009 22:47:39 GMT -6
Cal, Just curious...you said you got that Jadgt from Heath...was his sires name Dodger? I'm trying to keep tabs on the line, Dodger was out of my dogs, line bred. His granddad Newt was a fair decoy dog...once you were half way into the season, but a great den dog...pup extractor. Had to bail him out numerous times calling on multiple coyotes, but I think thats just life for a 23 lb dog with an attitude. As far as getting them killed ...cars & trucks have been the #1 killer for my dogs.
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Post by Cal Taylor on Apr 24, 2009 5:54:25 GMT -6
According to the papers I have here, this dogs sire is Damage Inc Jagds Joe Dirt, who is out of Damage Inc Jagds Dodger. The dam is Damage Inc Jagds Sally T. Dodger goes back to Rushane's Deets and Rushane's Rosie. The dog I haves name is T. J., but I call him "Jerry Lee", (the killer).
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2009 7:20:05 GMT -6
if you are talking Mt curs, and have a cur dog that can't trail, cull him.
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Post by trapperjoemo on Apr 24, 2009 8:22:34 GMT -6
"if you are talking Mt curs, and have a cur dog that can't trail, cull him. "
Why cull him? If he is a good decoy dog and the owner is happy with that...
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2009 8:45:17 GMT -6
you or anyone, is free to feed any dog they want-
cull means not breed
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Apr 24, 2009 15:15:36 GMT -6
i can see a new yote decoy dog of the west......yuppers...
it will be called the the western beagle decoy dog......
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