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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 23, 2010 8:42:36 GMT -6
Sub par for big toms maybe. There are a lot of different kinds of lions.
Young ones are easy to hold. Big ones aren't.
Some fight hard, others just lie down.
A beefed up #3 Bridger will hold 60%+ of what comes along.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 22, 2010 22:25:13 GMT -6
I wish dogs had never been invented.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 22, 2010 4:04:50 GMT -6
Ours are straight up coyotes. Seems to be quite a few pups this year.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 19, 2010 12:08:04 GMT -6
If their feet are off the ground something happens to them, stress could be it.
John were those all big toms or could you tell?
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 19, 2010 6:38:43 GMT -6
TC most of us in lion country have gone to traps and methods to try and avoid lions. They are a big thrill the first time, not so much the second time, and a downright pain in the ass after that.
Sure if I was going to trap one intentionally I'd probably use a 114 Newhouse if legal.
If it wasn't, any of the big #3 and #4 coils with good chain, strong welded swivels, baseplates, jaw tips fixed, etc.
I'd use a #4 Newhouse and not worry much, I'm sure Jakes would work fine.
I've had lot's of experience with lions and various traps and snares. Haven't held quite as many as Waddell, by design, but I've caught a lot more than that that got away. Probably could have caught 3-4 times that many if I hadn't modified my methods to avoid them.
When in lion country, which is about 50% of my area any more, I never set a a big coilspring because I know theres a pretty good chance that I'm going to come back to a big pain in the ass.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 18, 2010 15:44:14 GMT -6
Four coiled Bridgers, Monties, stuff like that will hold most lions just fine. The big Toms are a different story although I've held more than I ever want to see again.
I held one in a NW 1 3/4 and know other guys that have done the same with Bridger 1.65's.
Longsprings hold a lot of them for a day or so until they get it pulled down to a toe and twist off.
Those big 3 and 4 coilsprings are really bigger than necessary for most things, especially Bobs.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 17, 2010 16:47:18 GMT -6
I don't think the guzzlers make that many more deer. The ones around here are more for isolated bands of bighorns or for game birds like chukars mostly.
Rally I'm not going to say how many lions I've snared but I know a 3/32 with a bent washer does the trick.
First one was in a Thompson, it had rolled and there were only a couple of strands that were still intact. Small female.
Haven't used snares much since the old bent washer days but I think I'd probably just use a 1/16 or 5/64 with a kill spring. Cats go down real easy and a lion is no different. They go down real easy.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 17, 2010 4:38:14 GMT -6
We have some right above town that are specializing in horses. They've killed all the deer so they are working the horses. A pair of them massacred about 25 colts this spring. Just killed the nuts out of them in about a week and a half. This was in mountain country. They don't get the ones in the valley much.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 16, 2010 6:08:52 GMT -6
Most, if not all game Depts. won't acknowledge that lions have an adverse effect on deer.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 15, 2010 2:51:26 GMT -6
I snared a lion once that was running with 4 others. You could see in the snow where the other lions killed it while flopping around and ate it. All that was left was the stomach, feet, tail, head with one ear and a strip of the backbone and skin. Surgically skinned and eaten.
The things are terrible when there are too many.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 13, 2010 12:45:32 GMT -6
When I first came to Western Nevada in 1985 lions were about non-existent.
The local trapper told me about a track he saw and said let me catch it, I've never caught one, now he's a lion hunting guide!!
We used to catch a ton of porcupines, since the lions came 20 some years ago they have completely disappeared. Tony told me that you have to set one trap for the porkies and one for the cat. I haven't caught one for 15 years at least.
The deer are only slightly more numerous than the porkies, same with just about everything.
They come from California and Oregon where they can't be hunted, Nevada is a vacuum.
Pieces of shite is what they are.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 11, 2010 22:16:31 GMT -6
Around here the University has some lions collared, one old female specialized in coyotes from what I heard from a guy that has been out with them.
As for the original question if you have a lion hanging around and area and not just traveling through you might as well pick up and go someplace else. I can't tell you how many places I've set loaded with cat sign that didn't produce, won't be long and you'll see a lion turd in or near a cat toilet. Probably with your cat in it.
They are worse than worthless in my opinion. Destructive and a major competitor for everything I want from cats to deer.
They will absolutely wipe out a porcupine population.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 8, 2010 7:23:16 GMT -6
I bought one of those reels once. It's a fine tool, wanna buy it? I'll pay you two bits and pay the shipping. lol
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 8, 2010 4:47:43 GMT -6
In mountain country where most sets require climbing steep hills, there is something to be said for not packing hammers, sifters, dry dirt, lure bottles, etc, etc,
One of the reasons lots of guys opt for small traps. Easier to pack in steep country.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 5, 2010 8:15:33 GMT -6
I don't drop the gate with 35 cats in the back very often, but if I can have one or two more on the day we get a couple inches of snow or after the snow melts or it rains and the temperature goes to 5 below I'll take em.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 4, 2010 0:17:20 GMT -6
More important than the size of the pan is whether the trap is stable and the pan has no wobble.
Think of yourself crossing a rock slide, you test the rock to see if it's gonna wobble before you commit.
Then you either back off and try another route or you just kind of use it as a jumpoff to the next place.
Some guys use switch covers which I think are too big. Gives the cat an opportunity to get part of his foot on the jaw and part on the pan. I like 3.5 inch diameter on a 3n longspring.
Been thousands of cats caught on a stock pan though. They can walk a knife edged tightrope why would a stock pan bother them? Try not to just leave it hanging out there in midair though. I use a little dry grass between the pan and the jaws sometimes just to eliminate the black hole effect.
I like those PIT pan setups. Rock solid, a cat will test it then commit because it doesn't move. They're used to climbing around in rocky country and stepping on things like that all the time.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 2, 2010 23:07:46 GMT -6
The West isn't even close. I have no idea what whoever drew that map was thinking.
I'm guessing it was kind of like the weather channel. Well on the East Coast it's raining hard in this 3 square mile county blah, blah, blah.......... and in the next 4 square mile County it's partly cloudy blah, blah, blah................ And moving over the the Ohio valley (for 5 minutes) let's take acommercial break.........on out to Chicago blah, blah, blah...........................
Oh yeah out West it's raining in Seattle and Portland, foggy in San Fran., and Sunny in Southern California (30 seconds) now back to New York after this commercial break.
I'm guessing this map was made by somebody that knew nothing about the West and just drew some lines to complete the map. It's so screwed up it's weird!!
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Jul 28, 2010 8:08:42 GMT -6
I've never had a "real job" in my life. Worked seasonal for the Forest Service in the summers when trapping for a living 25 years ago but other than that I've never had a steady check, annual leave, sick leave, insurance that I didn't pay for, any of that stuff.
About as free of a man as it's possible to be I'm guessing. Wouldn't trade it for all the free healthcare and bennies in the world. It will probably kill me one day but I'll die saying no man was ever my master.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Jul 24, 2010 9:00:45 GMT -6
One of my favorite "flat" sets has no hole and no lure either.
I like to find an old stock dam that is dry and put a big attractor out like a steer skull and then set "flat" sets out away from it. I'll transplant a tuft of dry grass or bury most of a bone or a charred piece of wood for an attractor. Something real subtle, just barely noticeable.
Always use drags so that whatever you catch has a chance to get away from the set hopefully a fair distance.
Good way to catch a whole pack at once or at least more than one or two.
They'll circle the big attractor and go over to the subtle sets in their nervousness and step in the trap. Then they take off and make it a repeating set of sorts.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Jul 23, 2010 4:59:39 GMT -6
I like a lot of rosin, never noticed any flaking problem. Maybe you aren't using enough?
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