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Post by FWS on Aug 20, 2014 8:25:53 GMT -6
I think you need to do the same................. Which I have stipulated repeatedly................ But gain more you're unfamiliar with......... And point out where I've demanded that you move to CA Closest I've come to that is pointing out that even under CA's regulations you could do well on some furbearers. Which is exactly what I get from you guys. No you can't, and no you won't. That's what's interesting to me, you claim the resources available like that but you don't really utilize them. Thing is that I do, and I have caught and sold or eaten 100+ species of fish, crustaceans, molluscs, etc. The argument you boys put forth on your fisheries being as abundant or as good as those of the Pacific Ocean was and is ludicrous. You lack the species diversity, the biomass and the habitat, in addition to the almost blanket ban on commercial fisheries, and severe limitations on gear type. But it's nothing either of you are the least bit familiar with. You'd be wrong, because like it or not you do need the oceans and you do utilize the products derived from them in many ways. And whether you realize it or not you do share a kinship with those who harvest marine fisheries, here and abroad. And not just fisheries.............. Something I recognized years ago in working on the politics of resource use was that many had tunnel vision, they did not see the big picture and never recognized how interconnected everything was. Interior people like you never recognized how their own Federal legislators voted on issues that were not their immediate down home issues. Yes, you need to go back and read the various threads and see that reflected.
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Post by FWS on Aug 20, 2014 7:35:58 GMT -6
Not really, things were far worse in the past. Riots and violence are not new in the U.S.
And the police have become too militarized and use that option inappropriately far too often.
The police in Ferguson overreacted and created the situation we see now.
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Post by FWS on Aug 20, 2014 7:29:11 GMT -6
I've only said it has the opportunities I prefer and the resources available I want and need. You fellas are the ones who keep saying your states are the best ever No, I've covered that many times. And I've pointed out that I would lose too many opportunities by going elsewhere, having been elsewhere that was obvious to me. How would he know when he values but one option ?
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 20:44:41 GMT -6
No, I just prefer more thoughtful humor. California produces most of the US crop of fresh broccoli, and most of the frozen broccoli comes from Mexico. Fresh broccoli and cauliflower is usually pretty cheap here, almost always in my fridge. Pretty versatile vegetables.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 19:41:51 GMT -6
Don't know, never heard him mention it. But Pres. GHW Bush said of MO's Governor John Ashcroft, "Governor Ashcroft, whom I forgive for declaring broccoli the State vegetable." - Remarks at the Fundraising Dinner for Senator Christopher S. Bond in St. Louis, Missouri, November 13, 1991 Well, it's actually not 'my' report, given that I neither wrote it, nor was involved in the research in New Zealand. But, I think they may be correct about fresh fruits and vegetables and the nutrition they provide having a positive effect on ones well being.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 19:23:42 GMT -6
You stated, McCaskill beat Aiken in the 2012 MO Senate race, and Aiken's words and choices helped elect her........... Very simple. Had the MO GOP chose a better candidate they could have beaten her. Seen it here in CA for decades, where the GOP candidate that wins the primary gets creamed by the Democrat in the general election, usually because the GOP candidate was the mouthpiece that satisfied "The Base" with the rhetoric 'they' want to hear but is unelectable in the general because the rest of the electorate thinks they're an extremist nutjob.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 19:14:00 GMT -6
But the majority of white-tail hunters are meat hunters, sure they'd like to kill the tirdy pointer but they generally don't and take whats legal.
I posted the results of a survey not long ago that pointed out exactly that.
That's why I like the diversity of species I get, whether mammals, birds, fish, crustaceans, molluscs, and so on.
Another thing to realize is that the uptick in hunting license sales we're seeing is partially due to the 'locavore' types who want game as a protein source, I've posted articles and reports on that here. It's important to know, and those people are not from the traditional group, so politically there's a very effective argument for our side there.
You do see this reflected in the outdoor media and the mainstream media as well.
For me it's not, since the species I trap can be taken with cages and by rifle. And I spent a lot of time and personal resources trying to keep the traditional equipment, thing is that I do many other things and have had to make equipment or methodology changes in some of those as well. So you adapt to it or die.
Overturning these ballot measures would be insanely expensive, and very time consuming, given that funding is essentially non-existent and many of us don't want to dedicate our lives to something that would probably prove futile we had to adapt.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 18:49:02 GMT -6
Most likely not the Portland region lions, but NorCal and So. OR lions are really the same population and it might be more that OR lions disperse into CA. As the genetic data suggests with NV lions dispersing into CA. If we look at a satellite pic, a wildfire map just cuz it was handy, you'll notice there are no barriers that would prevent that, natural or man made. And in fact it's pretty much all lion habitat that goes from the Columbia River and South to the SF Bay Area, East to and into NV. And lions have been observed swimming across the Columbia River, I've seen em' swimming across a lake to get to the deer filled island. So................. Thing is that the Black Hills are 8000+ sq.mi., just the NorCal county I live in is 4000 sq.mi. and 90+% of it is mountain lion habitat, they even cruise the beaches. And what is lion habitat that IS occupied by lions is the mega area I described above. So we have this large contiguous lion factory that crosses multiple state boundaries, rather than the isolated population in a small geographic area like the Black Hills. So things are a bit more difficult. It's the same here and in OR.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 17:38:31 GMT -6
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 17:24:41 GMT -6
Broccoli Eaters Get More Out of LifeBy Tom Jacobs Pacific Standard- The Science Of Society August 14, 2014 New research finds a link between eating fruits and vegetables and experiencing a greater sense of meaning. What’s your idea of a fulfilling life? Definitions vary, but most of us would likely point to one marked by a sense of purpose and engagement, as well as curiosity and creativity. Brussels sprouts and bananas probably wouldn’t enter into our mental picture. But perhaps they should. In an intriguing finding, researchers in New Zealand have found a link between eating a lot of fruits and vegetables and experiencing the aforementioned pleasures, which collectively fall under the heading of eudaemonic well-being. People who ate more fruits and vegetables over the 13-day period reported higher average levels of curiosity, creativity, and positive emotions, as well as engagement, meaning, and purpose. “These findings suggest that fruit and vegetable intake is related to other aspects of human flourishing, beyond just feeling happy,” writes a research team led by University of Otago psychologist Tamlin Conner. Its study is published in the British Journal of Health Psychology. The study featured 405 participants, all university students, who kept a daily diary for 13 consecutive days. Each day, they recorded the number of servings they had of fruits, vegetable, desserts, and various fried-potato dishes. They also filled out a daily questionnaire intended to measure creativity, curiosity, and psychological flourishing. Specifically, they responded to statements such as “Today, I was engaged and interested in my daily activities” on a one-to-seven scale (“strongly disagree” to “strongly agree”). They also responded to additional items designed to measure their general emotional state that day. The results: People who ate more fruits and vegetables over the 13-day period reported higher average levels of curiosity, creativity, and positive emotions, as well as engagement, meaning, and purpose. Even more strikingly, participants tended to score higher on all of those scales on days when they ate more fruits and vegetables. “We cannot conclude that the link between fruit and vegetable consumption and eudaemonic well-being is causal or direct,” the researchers caution. It’s possible that feeling in a positive, engaged state of mind led people to eat healthier food. On the other hand, “the micronutrient content of food could provide an explanation for the current findings,” the researchers write. “Many fruits and vegetables contain higher levels of Vitamin C, an important co-factor in the production of dopamine,” they note. “Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that underlies motivation and promotes engagement.” In addition, they point out, antioxidants found in fruits and vegetables have been shown to reduce bodily inflammation, which “is thought to protect against depression.” So while it’s too early to claim kale will cause contentment, the results do suggest that healthy eating and psychological flourishing go hand in hand. Which is certainly food for thought.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 17:05:55 GMT -6
Pygmy People May Have Developed Short Stature to Better Adapt to EnvironmentBy Rebekah Marcarelli Headlines & Global News Aug 19, 2014 The small body size associated with the pygmy phenotype could be selective adaptation for hunting and gathering in the rainforest. Since all African pygmy phenotypes do not have these genetic characteristics researchers suggest they are newer than we thought, Penn State reported. "I'm interested in how rainforest hunter-gatherers have adapted to their very challenging environments," said George H. Perry, assistant professor of anthropology and biology, Penn State. "Tropical rainforests are difficult for humans to live in. It is extremely hot and humid with limited food, especially when fruit is not in season." A phenotype is "the outward expression of genetic makeup," Penn State reported. The pygmy phenotype is usually associated with rainforest hunter-gathers who do not farm. The researchers looked at the genetics of the Batwa rainforest hunter-gatherers of Uganda and compared them with farmers who lived nearby. These two groups often made change and have been known to intermarry. They also looked at Baka rainforest hunter-gatherers and their farming neighbors the Nzebi/Nzime. The average height of Batwa men is men is five foot and women are around foot eight. This short stature is caused by a number of genetic changes throughout the genome. The team investigated 16 different genetic locations that were associated with height; several of the regions contained genes involved in human growth. Genetic mutations are constantly occurring in populations, but if they have a negative effect on the individual they tend to quickly disappear; mutations that have positive impacts tend to spread throughout the population. The results of the genetic comparison suggest a statistical difference between the two groups, suggesting multi-gene adaptation. The distribution of the genes suggests Pygmy phenotypes arose independently and may have showed up later than previously believed. "What we think we see is that regions of the genome that are involved in the Batwa's Pygmy phenotype do not look the same in West Africa," said Perry. "If the Pygmy phenotype were really old, then we would have expected the locations to be similar." Short stature may be adaptive for rainforest dwelling individuals for a number of reasons; smaller bodies require less food, generate less heat, and are also more agile. The findings wer published Aug 18 in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Science.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 15:36:09 GMT -6
Arctic Grayling Does Not Warrant Protection Under Endangered Species Act Due to Collaborative PartnershipsPrivate Landowners Help Conserve Species, Way of Life in Rural Montana MONTANA, August 19, 2014 -- The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service announced today its finding that the Upper Missouri River Distinct Population Segment (DPS) of the Arctic grayling does not warrant protection under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). The Service reached this conclusion after analyzing the significant conservation efforts carried out by private landowners as well as federal and state agency partners to improve conditions for Arctic grayling in the Upper Missouri River basin. These efforts have helped bring the species to the point that it is not in danger of extinction now or in the foreseeable future, i.e., does not meet the definition of an endangered or threatened species under the ESA. Private landowners in the Big Hole and Centennial valleys worked through a voluntary Candidate Conservation Agreement with Assurances (CCAA) to achieve significant conservation of grayling within its range. Since 2006, over 250 conservation projects have been implemented under the CCAA to conserve Arctic grayling and its habitat, including: riparian fencing, irrigation flow reductions, improved irrigation infrastructure, fish ladders, improved stock water systems, and both passive and active stream restoration. Habitat quality has improved and grayling populations have more than doubled since the CCAA began in 2006. "This is a prime example of what a CCAA can do, not only for wildlife, but also for sustaining the way of life in rural ranching community," said Service Director Dan Ashe. "The conservation progress for Arctic grayling would not have been possible without the amazing support we have received from willing landowners and other partners in the Big Hole River and Centennial valleys." The cooperation between the federal and state partners serves as a model for voluntary conservation across the country. Montana Department of Natural Resources and Conservation developed a new system to improve in-stream flows in the Big Hole Watershed, while the USDA's Natural Resources Conservation Service helped implement conservation measures for grayling. Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks administered the Big Hole CCAA, hired biologists to work directly with landowners, raised grayling to bolster existing populations and worked to better understand the needs of grayling. "Our focused federal, state and local efforts paid off not only for the Arctic grayling, but for the ranchers who voluntarily invested in long-term, sustainable conservation," said USDA Undersecretary Robert Bonnie." This conservation success story demonstrates that voluntary conservation works when ranchers, agencies and other partners work together to conserve habitat." "This is an historic day for Montana and for the Big Hole Valley," said Jeff Hagener, Director of Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks. "Montana has worked to restore arctic grayling for the past 25 years, and we've depended on support from private landowners every step of the way. This success story begins with the 33 ranching families who live and work along the river and saw the value in restoring grayling. We wouldn't be here today without their cooperation." "Today is about the citizens of Montana's Big Hole Valley," said Montana Governor Steve Bullock. "These hard-working families proved that when a small group of dedicated citizens work together, great things can be achieved. The conservation of the Arctic grayling truly is a great achievement that builds upon our rich tradition of protecting Montana's remarkable natural resources." This notice will publish in the Federal Register on August 20, 2014. For more information, see www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/fish/grayling/grayling.htm.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 15:05:29 GMT -6
Animal “Protection” Groups Doing Little to Protect African ElephantsNew Report Shows Animal Rights Hypocrites Stiff Elephants, African Communities Washington, D.C. — Today Safari Club International (SCI) exposed the hypocrisy of five animal rights groups in a new report. The report, “A Stampede of Hypocrisy: How Animal Rights Activists Poach Elephant Donations,” counters the high-profile propaganda campaign against the sustainable and highly regulated hunting of African elephants, which activists use to push their radical political agenda. Despite the trumpeting from these activists that they’re “speaking for” the interests of elephants, the report points to figures showing the millions of dollars contributed by hunters to African communities and anti-poaching efforts dwarfs the paltry expenditures by the animal rights groups in sub-Saharan Africa. View the report here: A Stampede of Hypocrisy: How Animal Rights Activists Poach Elephant DonationsThe Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), its affiliate Humane Society International (HSI), the International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW), People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and Born Free USA collectively raise $170 million yet only about 1 penny of every dollar goes to sub-Saharan Africa, according to their most recent annual tax returns. Even more disturbingly, in May 2014, HSUS and Born Free USA were part of a $15.75 million settlement of a bribery and racketeering lawsuit, and Charity Navigator has issued a “Donor Advisory” regarding both groups. “The anti-hunting zealots mask their political agenda behind emotion. These groups know that poaching is more likely to be adopted as an economic activity in areas where human livelihoods are insecure. Well regulated hunting decreases poverty be securing livelihoods and provides funds for anti-poaching programs,” stated SCI President Craig Kauffman. “Their efforts to end legal and regulated elephant hunting will not only hurt local economies but trample anti-poaching efforts as well.” HSUS’s hypocrisy goes even further as they acknowledge elephant populations are healthy and even in need of thinning. HSUS and HSI have utilized U.S. taxpayer grants for elephant birth control in South Africa. The “Stampede of Hypocrisy” report also details the less-than-stellar grades several of the animal rights groups draw from the charity watchdog American Institute of Philanthropy (AIP). AIP awards HSUS a “C-minus” grade, finding the group spends up to half its budget on overhead, and awards “C-plus,” “C,” and “D” grades to PETA, Born Free USA, and IFAW, respectively, for their wasteful spending practices. Wildlife officials in Africa have heralded hunting as vital to economies and anti-poaching efforts. The Zimbabwe program Community Areas Management Program for Indigenous Resources (CAMPFIRE), which runs wildlife management and anti-poaching programs for 12.7% of the entire country, receives 70% of its revenue from legal hunting. Tanzania’s former top wildlife official has praised the “critical role” that hunters play in African communities and across nearly 30% of the country. Revenues from hunting generate $200 million annually in remote rural areas of southern and eastern Africa.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 14:35:20 GMT -6
Yup, there is a large and connected mass of lands that serve as refugia for lions so no surprise that lions disperse into the 'metro' area, which is really more like a big suburb with all kinds of natural corridors that lions would use.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 14:19:29 GMT -6
Why are cougars appearing all across the Portland area? Reasons could include deer, development In this AP file photo, Shanti the 2-year-old cougar licks the ice at his habitat at Oatland Island Wildlife Center in Savannah, Ga., on July 2, 2014. (The Associated Press)Luke Hammill The Oregonian July 25, 2014 Cougar sightings are "rare," according to the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife. But the big cats have been spotted in five metro-area cities in the past month, including two locations in Hillsboro. City parks have been closed, and a cougar found July 4 in Northeast Portland was euthanized by state wildlife officials, who said the animal had "lost its fear of people" and could have preyed on neighborhood cats and dogs. Hillsboro's Rood Bridge Park was closed Wednesday morning after three such reports starting Tuesday evening. City spokesman Patrick Preston said it would remain closed until Thursday morning, at which time Parks & Recreation officials will re-evaluate. ODFW has been asked to assist, but the department could not do so immediately, and the rain would have made a search difficult, Preston said. In late June, Hillsboro's Jackson Bottom Wetlands Preserve was closed twice in a week after "credible" cougar sightings. Though city and state officials never located the animal, one Hillsboro resident told The Oregonian that the animal got within 30 feet of her on a preserve trail, close enough for her to "count the whiskers" on its face. Reported cougar sightings also came in this month from Happy Valley, West Linn and Oregon City. The state is home to more than 5,000 of the animals, also known as mountain lions, according to ODFW. Dana Sanchez, a wildlife extension specialist at Oregon State University, said cougars may be moving into the Portland area because of a possible increase in deer and other animals the cats prey upon. "Cougars are large, mobile predators," Sanchez said. "They generally prey on deer, but where deer and other food becomes available, cougars – especially the younger, dispersing animals – will explore for other opportunities." She added that cougars are territorial and protective, so younger ones often have to find their own home ranges once they become "sub-adults." "And quite often, the established adults already have the best places," Sanchez said. Don Whittaker, of the ODFW wildlife division, said "the area surrounding the Portland-metro area and the suburbs is good cougar habitat." "Cougar populations are healthy, and the lifestyle choices that make quality of life in the Portland area good also create avenues for animals to come into the cities," he said, referring to the extensive forests and trails that lead directly into urban zones. But Whittaker cautioned that some of the reported "sightings" might not be cougars at all. "There's corridors to and from the wild areas, and there's been a lot of attention in the public media that large carnivores have been in the city," he said. "And so people are aware and have been looking for things like that sometimes. Sometimes they're real, sometimes they're not." The state Fish and Wildlife website has a section devoted to "living with wildlife," which includes a page about cougars. If you encounter one, the guidelines say, do not run, maintain direct eye contact and stand your ground –- and then back away slowly. Cougars often will retreat if given the opportunity, according to the agency. Sanchez said area residents would do best to familiarize themselves with the guidelines, which include keeping pets indoors at dawn and dusk. "I think that people do need to start becoming aware that those animals might be in the areas that they're using, especially in the more open, park-like areas," she said. Another reason mountain lions could be appearing more often, Sanchez said, is increased development. "Our cities and towns keep expanding," she said. "As we go into those last patches where deer and cougars might be living … we're going to be more likely to potentially see them and encounter them."
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 14:04:40 GMT -6
DNR reconsiders opening state natural areas to huntingby: TONY KENNEDY , Star Tribune August 19, 2014 The state Department of Natural Resources is changing course on a strategy to open more Scientific and Natural Areas to hunting and trapping, a high-ranking DNR official said Tuesday. Steve Hirsch, director of the DNR’s Ecological and Water Resources Division, said heavy public opposition to making the 40-year-old land program more accessible to hunters has prompted the agency to “pause.’’ Early this year, the DNR held public hearings on expanded land use proposals for 10 Scientific and Natural Areas (SNAs) around the state. Similar plans for next year have been dropped, Hirsch said. “Most conmments were opposed,’’ Hirsch said of this year’s proposed SNA changes. “We certainly have to take a pause now.’’ Based on public input, no changes will be made to eight of the 10 SNAs that were up for review this year, Hirsch said. But the DNR is proposing to open Lake Alexander Woods SNA. north of Cushing, to deer hunting and to allow dogs on leashes at Minnesota Point Pine Forest SNA in Duluth, he said. Before the two proposed changes are decided, the DNR will continue to accept public comment until Sept. 2, he said Bob Djupstrom, a retired DNR employee who formerly headed the SNA program, said he’ll watch closely to make sure the DNR doesn’t encroach further on the rare 18,300 acres of Minnesota SNA lands where hunting, trapping, dog-walking and other recreational uses are forbidden. Djupstrom and another ex-DNR worker, Ellen Fuge, have been complaining to state legislators that the agency has overstepped its authority since 2012 by opening several SNA lands around the state to hunting and trapping with only minimal input from taxpayers, without legislative hearings. “I’m glad to see they are pausing,’’ Djupstrom said. Djupstrom said the DNR has been under pressure from funding committees to open more public land to hunters even when more Minnesotans are yearning for access to public natural areas where hunting isn’t allowed. Minnesota SNAs originated in the early 1970s to isolate and preserve pieces of the state’s natural heritage, including rare species and unique geologic features. There are now about 189,000 acres of SNA lands, 90 percent of which are open to some form of hunting, trapping or fishing. But on the parcels that are still protected, only the lightest human touch is permitted. Camping, picknicking and swimming are not allowed, for example. Visitors can’t walk dogs or pick berries. They can take photographs or simply walk or sit in the woods to look and listen.
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 13:28:58 GMT -6
Sure, but some individuals choose to limit their own experiences. To their own detriment really. Ever notice that doesn't stop some from attempting to quantify things they have no experience with ? Doesn't take much time to learn new things in this case. Or you can learn to make those things yourself. I've never considered any of it 'fancy', since most of it has roots in rural kitchens that had great ingredients. Creme brulee is a fantastic dessert, served in the 'fanciest restaurants', but it's very easy to make and costs less than a box of Twinkies. And I wouldn't live in MN, IA, the Dakotas, MO, or any of those interior states because there is no ocean and no commercial fisheries among many other reasons. All of which I've pointed out many times. Thing is that if the fur market crashes again the effort put into trapping will dwindle as will the number of trappers.............. again. I prefer more options. And when a subject like waterfowling comes up and I point out it's better in CA there's no need to get upset or defensive. Because it is simply true if you like hunting waterfowl and want the opportunities to do so. Long seasons, full bag limits, broad diversity of species, lots of public hunting opportunities, lots of private lands opportunities.................
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 13:00:13 GMT -6
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 12:37:07 GMT -6
Upcoming Eruption in Iceland’s Vatnajökull?By Zoë Robert Iceland Review August 18, 2014 The Eyjafjallajökull eruption in 2010. Photo: Páll Stefánsson.A level of uncertainty has been declared in Bárðarbunga volcano, located in the northwestern Vatnajökull glacier, Southeast Iceland, due to an increase in seismic activity in the volcano. The largest earthquake of the swarm, 3.8 in magnitude, occurred near Kistufell last night. It could be felt as far as Akureyri in Northeast Iceland, visir.is reports. The seismic activity continues. As a precautionary measure, a Code Yellow has been declared in Bárðarbunga. Color codes, which are in accordance with recommended International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) procedures, are intended to inform the aviation sector about a volcano’s status. Due to the possibility of a flood in the area, the police in Húsavík have decided to close the Gæsavatnaleið road and other highland roads east of Skjálfandafljót to Askja, as well as part of the road to Herðubreiðarlindir. Near continuous earthquakes have been occurring in the volcano since early Saturday morning, as stated on the website of the Iceland Met Office. More than 1,000 earthquakes were recorded in Vatnajökull over the weekend, the majority of which were between 1.0 and 2.0 in magnitude. Several earthquakes measured over 3.0 in magnitude, ruv.is reports. There is no indication that magma has yet reached the surface. The statement continues: “Over the last seven years seismic activity has been gradually increasing in Bárðarbunga and the fissure swarm north of the volcano. This activity dropped down at the Grímsvötn eruption in May 2011, but soon after, the activity started to gradually increase again and has now reached similar level of activity to that just before the Grímsvötn eruption. Earlier this year, in the middle of May 2014, there was a small swarm of over 200 events and now the present swarm has already generated at least 300 earthquakes. “Since early June 2014, displacements at GPS stations around Vatnajökull (Hamarinn, Grímsfjall, Vonarskarð and Dyngjuháls) show an increased upward movement and away from Bárðarbunga. Together, these two systems indicate magma movements in Bárðarbunga. Due to increased seismicity IMO has decided to turn volcano Bárðarbunga status to yellow. In case of a sub-aerial eruption, an ash plume of potential concerns for aviation will be generated.”
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Post by FWS on Aug 19, 2014 12:19:43 GMT -6
Some 'agitators' arrested in Ferguson come from across U.S.By Josh Levs, CNN Tue August 19, 2014 Police show force as protesters organize Have you documented the protests in Ferguson? Share your photos, videos and opinions with CNN iReport. For local coverage of the fatal police shooting of Michael Brown and its aftermath, go to CNN affiliates KMOV, KSDK, KTVI and KPLR. (CNN) -- "Agitators" triggering chaos and violence amid the protests in Ferguson, Missouri, aren't all locals. Of 78 people arrested Monday night, nearly one-in-four came from outside the state, according to the St. Louis County jail. Nearly all the arrests were for refusal to disperse. Two people, both locals, were charged with unlawful use of a weapon. And one man, from Rockton, Illinois, was charged with interfering with an officer. Among those arrested are residents of Chicago, Brooklyn, Washington, San Francisco, Austin, Des Moines, and Huntsville, Alabama, according to jail records. Some say the arrests do not necessarily indicate wrongdoing. In recent days, numerous people including journalists have faced arrests after what they described as taking part in a peaceful protest or simply observing it. People from around the country and even other parts of the world have come to Ferguson to express outrage over the police shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown. But all sides agree there are those fomenting violence. "There is a dangerous dynamic in the night. It allows a small number of agitators to hide in the crowd and then attempt to create chaos," Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson said laet Monday. "Protesters are peaceful and respectful," he said. "Protesters don't clash with police. ... It is criminals who throw Molotov cocktails and fire shots that endangers life and property." Those stirring up trouble are "fools," said State Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal. "They are a disgrace to this entire movement." "What we are trying to address is the intimidation and harassment of police officers onto young people," she told CNN. But by shooting guns, throwing Molotov cocktails, and looting stores, these so-called agitators are making conditions unsafe and spurring a crackdown by authorities. "It completely changes the narrative," she said Monday. "We don't need these antagonizers out here," said protester Jerrell Bourrage, who said he grabbed a bottle-hurling demonstrator and told him to stop. "We need people who can stand out here to the side and still let your word be known." Michael Brown's parents spoke out against the violence Tuesday. "It is a distraction, but we won't let it distract us to the point where we lose focus," Lesley McSpadden told NBC's "Today." "We have to remain focused and we have to remain strong and the violence needs to stop. When justice has prevailed, it may regain the trust in the locals, but right now it's really out of control." Participants in the protests also blame the authorities for violence. Police have fired tear gas and used stun grenades, angering some who believe the tactics are too heavy-handed and a sign of the dangers of police militarization. The situation presents a difficult challenge for police, said Tom Fuentes, a former FBI assistant director who is now a CNN law enforcement analyst. The "normal, after-midnight clientele of the police -- these hooligans" mix in with the crowd, he said. "So, that is what the police have to contend with." The police tried putting away the heavy weaponry at one point last week, Fuentes noted. But then, as late night violence broke out in recent days, "they had no alternative, and they brought them back out." Retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who famously defused tensions in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, said there's one tactic authorities should be sure to use. "They have to continue to walk with the people as opposed to walk against them," he said. But quelling these protests will require a political and judicial solution, he said. "The political and justice in this country need to find a way out of this that convinces people the right things will be done," he said. Police attempt to control protesters in the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, on Monday, August 18. Police attempt to control protesters in the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, on Monday, August 18. Some protesters, meanwhile, are trying a tactic of their own. On Monday night, a group of community leaders formed a human chain and walked hand-in-hand -- hoping not only to provide a buffer between police and peaceful protesters, but also to block the agitators.
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