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Post by FWS on Aug 14, 2014 13:30:27 GMT -6
If you click the link the LA Times included a pictorial on cutting up a rabbit and links to recipes. Whole Foods is selling rabbit, and bunny lovers aren't happyJonathan Gold says the chicken fried rabbit, which is brushed with honey, is even better than the fried chicken served at the Ladies' Gunboat Society. (Glenn Koenig / Los Angeles Times)By Jenn Harris Los Angeles Times August 13, 2014 Rabbit lovers plan protests after Whole Foods starts selling rabbit at select locations Are you a rabbit-eater? Select Whole Foods markets have started selling rabbit Some Whole Foods locations have started selling rabbit. For those who can't get enough of the fried rabbit at the new Flores and the Ladies' Gunboat Society, this news may cause a slight shrug. But rabbit advocacy groups around the country aren't happy. The market chain is testing a rabbit program at select locations in Northern California and in Washington D.C. In a recent news release, Whole Foods claimed they are simply supplying what their customers are asking for and that the market spent four years researching the animal welfare standards for rabbit. "For many years, lots of customers have requested that we carry rabbit," reads the release. "But first we needed to ensure the rabbit we sold would be consistent with [Whole Foods Markets'] high animal welfare standards." Some of Whole Foods' standards include group pens for the rabbits, because they like to socialize in groups; continuous access to drinking water, feed, roughage, gnawing blocks etc.; treatment when the rabbits are injured; and allowing mother rabbits to nurse and recover before being re-bred. But the House Rabbit Society advocacy group isn't satisfied. The group is attempting to stage a day of action Sunday with protests around the country, including at Whole Foods locations in Pasadena, Glendale, West Hollywood and San Diego. The protests will involve handing out leaflets that read "Whole Foods Market sells pets in their meat case. #Savethebunnies." With a growing popularity of rabbit dishes on restaurant menus, including LA Chapter at the Ace Hotel downtown, Flores and the Ladies' Gunboat Society and Bucato to name a few, the rabbit advocacy groups may have their work cut out for them. "Rabbit is one of my favorite subjects because it is so versatile, like veal or chicken," chef Evan Funke of Bucato told L.A. Times test kitchen director Noelle Carter in a recent article about the popularity of rabbit. Funke likes to cook rabbit ragu. "Anytime I get the opportunity to introduce people to rabbit, . Ragu is easy."
According to Carter, you can also buy rabbit through Belcampo Meat Co., Puritan Poultry and online.
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Post by bblwi on Aug 14, 2014 18:30:31 GMT -6
Our two children had New Zealand Whites as 4-H projects. That last about 2 years but I raised many for about 6-7 years. I sold the 4-5 lbs. fryers and those we ate I was able to sell the white pelts by the lbs. Kids were not crazy about eating the rabbits but at 9% fat with no skin they are about the leanest meat one can eat. Conversion rates are really very good and reproduction is very high. I had several does that I added dry dairy calf milk replacer to their diets to prevent milk fever (low blood calcium) as they would have several litters per year with 6-8 per litter.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Aug 14, 2014 18:40:35 GMT -6
rabbit is good- I like it either in crockpot as a gumbo, or baked
one way I liked, was to put stove top stuffing in a cake pan, add boned rabbit backs, then cover with stove top and bake. Very tasty.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 15, 2014 16:52:15 GMT -6
FWS how much is that farm raised rabbit a lb . I get them free out my bedroom window . Rabitt or squirrel either one taste the same to me, just more meat on a large cottontail. There is a place in Kansas City that sells them around 3-4 lbs and cost 22.00 NO way am I paying that for farm raised rabbit meat.
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Post by FWS on Aug 15, 2014 18:21:01 GMT -6
Don't know, I've never bought domestic rabbit. Eaten em' as bought or raised and cooked by others.
Always taken wild rabbits. CA is loaded with bunnies.
Regardless, it's good to see more Americans buying and eating rabbit.
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Post by mmwb (Andrew Parker) on Aug 15, 2014 22:45:47 GMT -6
A protein mainstay throughout much of Europe during WWII. As Dreamweaver indicates, a couple of does can produce a lot of meat, they take little space, and are often one of the few realistic meat sources that are allowed to be raised in cities.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 16, 2014 5:40:47 GMT -6
The cost will limit sales as a niche thing only...........
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Post by bblwi on Aug 16, 2014 14:30:47 GMT -6
Live weight heavy steers at $1.59 per lbs. will cause changes in people's diets and food choices. We have two steers that will go about 2800 lbs. on October 1st. We had several persons express interest in a blended quarter last fall. Now many are wondering if $600-$700 for 180 lbs. of beef cut and wrapped is worth it. I hope they all say no as we can sell one live and net more than we can by selling dressed as most just don't want to pay that much. The other thing about other meats like, pork, goat, poultry, rabbit etc. is that turn around times are so much faster. In a rapidly changing world beef are like battleships instead of destroyers. When things can change rapidly one can make very poor investments if it takes a long time to recover costs. Long turnaround times many times means that outside money or very old money is needed to enter the business and that minimizes new entrances and diversity.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 17, 2014 6:18:01 GMT -6
Chicken and pork have ruled the roost for a period of time and chicken will continue on. Again it all comes Down to price point rabbit at 5.00 + per lb is not going to sell like hot cakes either. The cattle market will soften at some point, until then I do not see how much if it isn't going to waste with retail beef prices? The high majority are letting it sit, thank the steak houses across the US as of now they are the ones moving the beef. ground chuck at 4.49 a lb or whole fresh chickens at 1.09 ? easy answer for many working families. Whole boneless chicken breast 1.79 on sale now or 8.00 12 oz strip steaks? I can do tons of things with chicken breast meat.
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Post by FWS on Aug 18, 2014 9:54:39 GMT -6
Sure, but some of us prefer to eat wild game and wild caught fish.................
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Post by trappnman on Aug 18, 2014 11:58:18 GMT -6
and some of us have eaten so much wild game, that I now prefer stuff like pork chops, etc
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Post by FWS on Aug 18, 2014 12:15:07 GMT -6
A few species anyways, prepared in the same few ways most likely.................. Kinda like with the fish available to you...........
And you don't hunt as much as you once did, for any number of reasons.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 18, 2014 13:10:24 GMT -6
hunting has nothing to do with my access to wild game
nor does what I choose to eat
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ah- so the rabbit I've prepared in dozs of ways- would suddenly appeal to me more if I prepared it that special 1 more way?
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Post by FWS on Aug 18, 2014 15:01:20 GMT -6
It just might, you never know when you'll stumble across the Holy Grail of rabbit recipes, if not several.
Well actually it does, same goes with fishing. Or trapping for that matter.
If the act of hunting, fishing, or trapping has a quantifiable value that you really appreciate beyond the enjoyment of doing it you'll most likely do it more. And eat more game or fish as a result, or trap more if the fur prices justify it.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2014 17:39:59 GMT -6
FWS I enjoy eating many things I just keep enjoying the many things over and over again If you have many things hard to get bored with them. I have plenty of receives for various protein sources. Chicken is a very versatile meat that is just a fact. I grew up eating a ton of deer meat in many dishes and have shot a ton of deer, I know eat some but deer hunting to me is a tender doe quick and easy and the rack thing doesn't mean much to me anymore. Now trapping has always kept my interest hi fur value or not, I have not missed a trapping season in my life, since the first trap I set. Trappers trap to trap what trapping offers no other pursuit holds the same....... Second is coyote calling IMO of course. Coyotes have held my attention for many,many years other species of hunting and fishing come and go in my life but coyotes are the thing that keeps my interest no matter how many harvested and I don't need to eat them LOL.
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Post by FWS on Aug 18, 2014 18:43:21 GMT -6
See that is subjective, and really is based on your experiences, which are limited.
And it doesn't apply in general to all, or even most, who trap.
But you want and need a return on the time and funds invested, if even just to cover the costs of doing it............
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2014 18:57:04 GMT -6
FWS there you go again thinking you know it all What does a deer hunter get on return of a deer hunt? A deep sea fishing trip? Figure out the cost per lb of that food and see what those cost are. . Guys pay 5,000 all the time to shoot a mule deer in South Dakota you think they are figuring in cost? Where do you get I "need" a return? believe me if I was trapping for a large profit I would do things far different but at this time it is to teach my son and other kids and people who want to learn more about trapping, not about needing X amount of return from harvest. Think when 1080 went and hammered coyotes in Indiana he worried about the cost versus return? . heck no he wanted to trap in another state and see what was possible in that state numbers wise. I trap for my 10 year old as much as anything these days and would do it if it cost us 500.00 a year, ever take a Missouri coyote? If I was doing it for profit I would be in an other state with higher quaility coyotes for sure. I know of plenty of other places to go for profit, I have trapped for profit as well, yet the trapping matters most the money is secondary to me. My dad a few years back he isn't getting any younger and was never a trapper he came along on y bobcat line and was lucky to see a few for the days he was visiting, sure the money on the cat hide nice but the memories far nicer to me. I have photos of him holding cats I caught and I can tell you where most came from and can remember those times, I cannot tell you what cat brought how much, I can tell you it paid for my propane for the winter and bought Christmas gifts and a new flat screen TV. Yes I know all about trapping license sold and fur prices go hand in hand for the most part but those who buy and trap during bad years well money is not the main motivation for them. Some guys are motivated by the number of inches in a deer rack and pay a lot to pursue such, others are motivated by trapping each to his own. One day I will make a run at for profit fur again but for now content spending time afield with my son teaching him how to be a better trapper.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2014 19:22:22 GMT -6
If you told me I could trap California where every fur brought a 50.00 bill but NO foot hold trapping or I could foot hold trap and avg 20.00 on my fur I am staying put as foothold trapping is a part of our heritage and something I am not willing to give up for money. So you tell me what I "need" I know every year I am going to trap coyotes be it 5.00 each or 45.00 each I will trap them regardless.
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Post by FWS on Aug 18, 2014 20:49:15 GMT -6
No, your experience is limited. By your own admission. Depends on the deer hunting doesn't it ? As for 'deep sea fishing', your return can be far greater than your investment, depending on where and for which species. I know people who feed themselves quite well on what they catch on the 1/2 day charter boats, even better when those vessels drop crab pots on the way out and haul on the way back. And then there are the longer range trips doing tuna.............. I get a very good return on fishing, in both income and food. And that does represent the majority, your examples are more the exception than the rule. When prices crashed in 87' I still trapped some through the 90's and I spent a lot in defending trapping. But................ I won't kill gray fox or bobcats for low $'s because it's an expensive activity. And I had other options to make far more money harvesting living wild resources. There was trapping before the invention of leghold traps and even without them there is trapping. If you lose the use of that equipment will you quit trapping ? And let the antis beat you. Or will you find other ways to put fur on a stretcher ? Sure, you tell me that all the time. And the reality is there does need to be a return on the investment.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 19, 2014 4:51:09 GMT -6
No reality doesn't mean a return on investment. WT deer hunting most popular hunting activity in North America where is the return on investment? 1,000 bow, 1200 rifle, camo clothing, big truck, stands/blinds, calls, scent sprays,deer lures, cameras, license, gas,food time spent scouting etc,etc. For many trapping is the same thing a recreational pursuit. You FWS are making a great claim with your post that their should be two types of trapping license sold commerical harvest or recreational. I would move to where it afforded me the opportunity to trap with more equipment. Let me know how that cage trapping for coyotes goes and how one makes a return on investment doing that You see your state may offer many things but it doesn't offer many trappers what they truly need or want the ability to use footholds and your mt lion issue is off the map crazy. You have more MT lions than any other state yet no recreational harvest of such?
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