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Post by FWS on Aug 26, 2014 14:42:34 GMT -6
No, those are tags for taking bobcats under a hunting license, and they are for personal use only. Under a trapping license cats can be taken by shooting or cage traps, there is no limit and the pelts can be sold.
You are aware that the bill was last year right ? What's active are the provisions that are to be implemented by the commission, and it's not something any should be discussing on a public forum that is monitored. The author of that article being one of them who monitors trapping sites, who is himself an activist. The article is from his blog on a local PBS station.
It's actually more the national groups like, HSUS and CBD, who come into states to target issues, shop around for incidents they can exploit and write the legislation to be sponsored by whichever legislator they can recruit to carry it.
It's pretty much how they operate, here, there, and everywhere. And have for decades on issue after issue, many of which you're completely unaware of because they're 'not your issue'.
If it were only CA based anti groups we'd not see the legislation or ballot measures we have. They have neither the grass roots nor the financing to do it for the most part, and several of those groups, here and out of state are basically front groups for HSUS and Co., which is another example of how they operate, in the US and internationally.
Another thing to recognize is that, as I've pointed out before, trapping, hunting, and fishing are the latest targets for those groups that were formed AFTER the campaigns on big issues like timber mggmt. , water use, grazing, mining, development, and so on have become less lucrative and new issues were needed to keep up the cash flow. They sucked in a lot of the pros from prior issues/groups, I recognize the names of those involved.
Depending on the issue they probably get funding from HSUS and Co.
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Post by FWS on Aug 26, 2014 13:20:22 GMT -6
Recreational anglers hurt turtles, too, NC commercial fishermen say in federal lawsuitBy Bruce Siceloff News & Observer August 5, 2014 RALEIGH — Environmental regulators should be forced to expand their enforcement of the Endangered Species Act to cover recreational hook-and-line anglers who harm endangered sea turtles, two commercial fishing groups said Tuesday in a federal lawsuit. “Commercial fishing is the only fishing that gets regulated,” Jerry Schill, president of the N.C. Fisheries Association, said in an interview. “You keep waiting for them to start looking at other avenues for enforcing the Endangered Species Act, and they don’t do it.” Commercial restrictions include limits on some nets that can snag turtles, and requirements for observers to make sure that turtles are not harmed. But Schill said loggerheads and other threatened sea turtles also are snagged on anglers’ hooks and struck by their boats. Schill’s group was joined by the Carteret County Fisherman’s Association in filing the 19-page lawsuit in U.S. Eastern District Court in Raleigh against the heads of seven state and federal agencies. Among the defendants are U.S. Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzger and John Skvarla, state Secretary of Environment and Natural Resources. David Sneed, executive director of the Coastal Conservation Association of North Carolina, a nonprofit that represents recreational anglers, said the group’s attorneys and board members were studying the lawsuit and were not prepared to comment on it. “Unlawful takes” at issue The plaintiffs cite documents produced by the regulatory agencies implicating recreational anglers in “significant numbers of unlawful takes” of legally protected turtles. “Takes” include a broad range of unlawful interactions, not always involving death or injury to the animal. In the first eight months of 2013, the lawsuit says, 45 percent of turtle strandings in North Carolina “were directly attributable to the hook and line fishery.” Recreational fishermen hooked five Kemp’s ridley sea turtles from a Topsail Island fishing pier in May of this year, the lawsuit says. The lawsuit claims that recreational fishermen have been implicated in the taking of 27,291 sea turtles along the Gulf Coast alone. Unintended catches are regulated through “incidental take” permits issued to commercial anglers. The lawsuit says similar permits should be employed to regulate recreational fishermen. The commercial fishing groups also ask in their lawsuit that federal regulators make counts of the protected turtles, to determine whether their numbers are low enough to warrant continued protection.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 19:43:30 GMT -6
A few posts ago you said, 'show me' and I showed you, several posts before that you claimed I couldn't provide you with 1 example of how you use marine resources and I provided you with 1 as requested. Funny how there's not a word on those examples afterwards huh ? There have been many such examples where you demanded an answer, I provided one and you were then silent and skipped on to excoriating me for some imagined slight. I mean seriously, no ancient cultures built on marine resources ? But you don't just offer opinions, more often blanket statements claiming equivalent opportunities or resources. Nor is it my singular pursuit, but it is in my top 10. And I do take advantage of the long seasons, full bag limits, and abundant public hunting opportunities. The dog demands it. And I do go to efforts to find the best uses for them and any species I take for consumption. 10 specklebellies this year !!!! 10!!!! With triple the daily bag limit for possession. They're uncommon in MN, they harvest very few there. But if ya' had em' and ate em' you'd understand my excitement about em'. Same with a wider variety of fish and shellfish, like fresh albacore tuna, if ya' had em' and ate em' you'd understand. Even more so if you caught em' 60 miles offshore with killer whales in attendance.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 19:17:47 GMT -6
Probably not a good example of police work in a time of crisis though. And the NOPD went around disarming the homeowners and business owners who stayed to protect their properties. Including the way law enforcement responded to it and exacerbated the situation, too many professionals pointing that out.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 18:23:00 GMT -6
I don't see a refutation there, just an evasion. Actually I've made the statement for years that CA has the resources and opportunities I value, you and another just tried to claim yours were as good or better........................ Or dispute your spurious claims. But all you can really offer in this is opinion.................... Nah, choosing to ignore when you're wrong is silly.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 14:13:10 GMT -6
Showing you, from a previous thread, Where you made the claim, Which as I pointed out was incorrect, To which you replied, Right, perhaps you should read further on a lot of things and really consider the points I made and make and realize they are fodder for real discussion, on issues that go much deeper than what you consider. A lot of things have just flown right over your head in your zeal to defend MN and condemn me as some elitist in these threads like you're some Fox News viewer or Glenn Beck listener. Here's a good piece on Canada's commercial walleye fishery, a grad students masters thesis, lots of info, Characterization of the Canadian Commercial Walleye Fishery
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 13:44:03 GMT -6
More hyperbole.
Never made that statement, not even close actually. What I have pointed out is the opportunities are better here for what I value.
And yet even more hyperbole that has entered into pure speculation.
Sure I can, and I do, I just prefer hunting and fishing and want the best opportunities to do it.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 10:55:00 GMT -6
So what's with the big, hysterical opposition to fishing the oceans or eating the species produced from them ?
There are a lot of really great opportunities that would provide you with spectacular outdoor experiences, I've fished a lot of freshwater, but by comparison the experiences and yield of edible species on the oceans are far greater.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 10:44:49 GMT -6
Of course another way to look at it is that we adapted to cages too well for the antis .............
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 10:10:48 GMT -6
Yes we've discussed it, but as with many issues that are active we don't talk about them much, if at all, on public forums. There have been many issues like this over the years and aside from making guys aware that the issue exists we go silent because the antis are observing.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 10:03:09 GMT -6
But they are offering salmon, and that'll increase as people want healthy options.
Sure it would. Wild caught Alaska salmon can be bought pretty cheap. Especially pinks and chums, both of which are really quire tasty breaded and fried since they're much leaner than chinook, coho, sockeye, or farm raised Atlantic salmon.
You're just not familiar enough with it to know any better.
In all that I looked at cod was #1 by a long shot.
Or catch and have sold.
Be nice to have more diversity of species to catch though huh ? Including species like crabs and other shellfish.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 9:50:35 GMT -6
You mean those snow geese and Canada geese you don't want to eat ? Versus the specklebellies and Aleutians we do want to eat............. And a much shorter duck season with fewer species and a lower bag limit ? SD does get to hunt sandhill cranes and they are great eating too, but overall you'll get more shooting for a greater variety out here. For a species you don't want..................... And you're still in SD freezing your ass off, rather than just hopping on a boat and going fishing.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 9:40:23 GMT -6
And McDonalds own customers say the food sucks but they still go there because it's cheap and available. Obviously not enough for them to be viable for any more than a highly limited sport harvest. What was that I said about biomass, species diversity, etc., that got you guys all upset. Oh yeah, there it is. But increasing given the documentary evidence provided by those who actually provide those fish fry's in the Midwest, and at the restaurants, even in places like Lake City, MN by golly. Ya' know, funny thing is that there are dozens and dozens of species we take in the Atlantic, the Pacific, the Caribbean, and the Gulf of Mexico that are better eating than either cod or walleye. But you'll never know that because you're opposed to discovering that. All these species caught by small artisanal commercial fishermen living in little coastal communities all around the oceans I listed above. Strangely enough I do think you'd enjoy hanging out with them a lot more than you would spending time at the state owned ChiCom tilapia operations. But, maybe not.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 9:07:06 GMT -6
You have a short growing season, what do you do for the rest of the year. Cuz' what you produce isn't lasting all year. Sorry pal, I ain't buying into it. I recall that, and I recall pointing out where you were wrong, as with aquaculture. And if I said that about CA melons you'd get your panties all knotted up. See the thing is that I hear that all the time from you and others. Remember when we were discussing the term 'narrow'...................... That is and always has been hyperbole at best, with a gross distortion more likely, and yes, it has been defensive on your parts. Kinda like with waterfowling, if you actually like to hunt ducks and geese, CA does have better opportunities than MN, and SD, and MO, much longer seasons, higher bag limits, more species available, the weather is more conducive, lots of public hunting, and so on. That's not subjective, it's just a factual observation of how it is and the harvest levels bear that out. Must be a crime to recognize that Just like it's a crime to want year round, highly diverse fishing opportunities, both sport and commercial. Not really, you're just pleased with the opportunities you have, and I'm happy for you. But for me it would be lacking. Oh, I've not forgotten, particularly not all the parts where you got confused about geography and the resources we were discussing, since with quite a bit of it we were never discussing CA, you just didn't know any better to recognize that.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 8:37:50 GMT -6
Yes, the militarized response by law enforcement is a separate issue.
The actions of law enforcement obviously exacerbated that.
Yup.................
The LAPD commander during the King verdict riots even says that the Ferguson police made a lot of mistakes and they need much better training.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 2:18:36 GMT -6
Observation of the militarization of law enforcement, if what we're actually discussing here as it pertains to Rand Pauls op-ed.
Which is what we are discussing here.
You pose a separate question,
You're referring to the shooting of Brown by the cop. That's a separate issue from the LE response and tactics to the protests, which we all observed and have seen dissected. The Ferguson police did not do well.....................
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 1:55:03 GMT -6
Tilapia and swai (which is Vietnamese iridescent catfish) are pretty much just farmed trash fish, they're cheap and are heavily marketed but as for quality, not so good. Most tilapia are farmed in China, 'swai' in Vietnam. Both are very poor substitutes for REAL fish, but they can be produced in great quantities cheap. If they're on the menu of a restaurant I get up and walk out.
Which doesn't add up to much really, just looking at walleye in MN for an example,
From the MN DNR website,
Each year, anglers in Minnesota keep roughly 3.5 million walleyes totaling 4 million pounds.
The landings of just North Pacific cod in U.S. waters was 700 million pounds....................
The species you list are almost entirely aport take only, what commercial take is left, mostly for catfish is getting squeezed out due to pressure from the sporties. There really is no cultuing of walleye, yellow perch, or bluegill for the food market, just fingerlings to stock for sport fishing.
The only commercial fisheries for walleye are in a few lakes in Canada, which are also stocked to enhance the fishery.
Hence the reason we see so much cod, pollock, haddock, halibut, and salmon offered at all those fish fry's and restaurants in the Midwest.
I'm not ragging on your fisheries, just pointing out they are what they are and you can't compare them to marine fisheries.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 1:16:18 GMT -6
Sure. That's not really true, certainly not for 'all' since many prefer new experiences to what they're familiar with. Sure, and you're welcome to stand by that, nobody has threatened to snatch you, throw you hooded in the back of a black van and drive you to the coast to force you to go fishing. Just don't try to convince me that your aquatic resources are anything even close to that of the oceans. I don't tell you that your area lacks the habitat, species diversity, or biomass to be insulting, it's just a factual statement. That's just your interpretation, and it's a defensive one. You could not eat CA produced fish or meats, but to claim you don't eat CA produced fruits or vegetables is something I ain't buying. Most of the processed tomato products produced in the US, 96%, are from CA. So no ketchup, BBQ sauce, pasta sauces, canned tomatoes of all varieties, tomato powders used in processed foods, the tomato based sauce on your pizza, and so on. How bout lemons ? Or oranges, tangerines, avocados, table grapes, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, cabbage, onions, garlic, olives, plums, prunes, raisins, bell and chili peppers, melons of all varieties, celery, artichokes, asparagus, nectarines, kiwi fruit, persimmons, squash, apricots, strawberries, and the list can go on and on. With CA either being the top producer or near the top of what's listed here. Know what ? What's familiar to you just might be produced in CA.
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Post by FWS on Aug 23, 2014 11:49:49 GMT -6
As fungus kills bats, MN timber industry wincesBy ADAM BELZ , Star Tribune August 19, 2014 A cave fungus that’s killing millions of bats across the country is threatening to become a big problem for Minnesota’s timber industry. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will decide next spring whether to add the northern long-eared bat, which is being wiped out in places by the disease called white nose syndrome, to the endangered species list. Such a decision would trigger a blanket prohibition against killing the bats, even accidentally. That would halt logging in much of the country during warm months, when the little animals roost in the forest and raise their vulnerable young in trees. Only an estimated 5,000 of the bats live across a wide area of Minnesota, but national efforts to protect the species raise the specter of a showdown between regulators and businesses dependent on cutting down trees. Road and pipeline projects could be affected, and an end to summer logging would cut off crucial supply lines for sawmills and paper and strand-board mills. “It would be devastating for us in the woods” said Scott Pittack, a logger with a crew of five based in Bovey, Minn. “I don’t know there’s a mill that could survive without summer wood … Plus, we all need a paycheck through the summer.” First discovered in 2006 in New York, white nose syndrome has raced south through the Appalachian Mountains, along the Ohio River Valley to Missouri and Arkansas, and across Ontario to Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. It’s likely that more than 7 million bats have died, and entire colonies of long-eared and little brown bats have been destroyed in Vermont, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. No bats have died yet in Minnesota, but evidence of the fungus has been spotted on four bats in two places in the state — Forestville/Mystery Cave State Park in the southeast and Soudan Underground Mine State Park in the northeast — leading many to say it’s only a matter of time. While the bats’ problem is white nose syndrome and not its habitat, the threat to the species is so severe that concern for maternity colonies in trees is necessary, said Rich Baker, endangered species coordinator for the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. He just hopes the Fish and Wildlife Service allows for flexibility. “Reproduction is the basic building block of a species’ survival, and so the emphasis on preserving reproduction, these maternity colonies, that’s legitimate and that’s warranted,” Baker said. “But it’s got to be done in a way that’s also reasonable, more of a scalpel approach than a sledgehammer approach.” Need for defense Northern long-eared bats are small, fuzzy and light brown with oversized dark brown ears. They hibernate in caves. “During the spring, summer and fall, it uses forest, and in the summer it’s in the forest that they give birth,” Baker said. Loggers won’t be able to guarantee they won’t accidentally kill a colony of mother bats who are giving birth. Newborn bats tucked into cracks and loose bark would be helpless. “Those young can’t fly for up to a month after they’re born,” Baker said. As soon as the bats are listed as endangered, accidentally killing or harassing them would become a violation of federal law. Federal regulators have proposed that between April 1 and Sept. 30 any tree over 3 inches in diameter must be inspected for a maternal colony of long-eared bats before anybody cuts it down. Bats are critical for the state, wrote Tom Landwehr, commissioner of the Minnesota DNR, but loggers can’t survey every tree for them. The available data is “inadequate to support such a broad restriction,” he wrote in a July letter to each member of the state’s Congressional delegation. “Given the number of trees removed annually throughout the state,” he wrote, “the recommended surveys are impractical and unrealistic.” Halt to logging? Georgia Parham, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, said the instructions for how to protect bats by inspecting trees are not a rule, but a guideline. The agency wants help from industry and state conservationists to create rules that make sense. It is accepting comments on its proposal until Aug. 29, and will hold online information sessions starting Tuesday. A final decision is scheduled for April 2. The regulatory options are complicated, however, because the Endangered Species Act is a “blunt instrument,” said Baker. If regulators list the bat as endangered, businesses could seek “incidental take permits” that allow accidental killing of the animals. But those require a detailed study of habitat, how many bats would be killed, economic analysis and environmental review. “It’s a three- to five-year process,” Baker said. Federal officials could also list the long-eared bat as threatened instead of endangered, which would give regulators more leeway to allow logging under certain circumstances. “It’s a complete crapshoot,” said Wayne Brandt, spokesman for Minnesota Forest Industries. Widespread danger It’s not just long-eared bats that face a threat to their survival. The more common little brown bats — of which Minnesota has an estimated 50,000 — are also highly susceptible to white nose syndrome. It shows up on bats’ faces as if they’d been dunked in powdered sugar and causes them to wake up in the winter when they should be hibernating. Researchers found this year that the fungus lives in caves even without bats around. It grows into the bats’ snouts and wing tissue. The fungus is not harmful to humans, though humans can spread it. Scientists across the country are launching studies of the disease and the little-understood bats that suffer from it. Baker is trying to get legislative approval for a $1.25 million grant for the DNR, which already has a small project going. Enbridge Energy, which is trying to build a pipeline across northern Minnesota, has conducted a study of northern long-eared bat habitats. So have state conservationists in Wisconsin and Michigan. But researchers are working from behind. Bat populations are dropping in Missouri, where the disease is now endemic. The fungus was confirmed in Arkansas this past winter, and bats in Wisconsin just across the Mississippi River from Dubuque, Iowa, have died from the disease. Park rangers started finding dead bats in Mammoth Cave in Kentucky in 2013, where 25,000 bats of various species hibernate in the world’s largest cave system and travel as far as Michigan. Rick Toomey, director of the Mammoth Cave International Center for Science and Learning, said he would be surprised if the dominant gray bats there don’t start dying in large numbers this winter. Bats eat half their weight in insects each night, fighting major agricultural pests that afflict cotton and corn crops, Toomey said. If they aren’t around to eat the insects, farmers will end up using more pesticides, Toomey said. Bats also play a critical role in pollinating many crops and other plants. “The loss of the bats,” he said, “is going to shift major things in the ecosystem.”
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Post by FWS on Aug 22, 2014 16:52:11 GMT -6
Why ? Get in touch with your inner Neanderthal and wear it like a badge of honor.
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