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Post by FWS on Aug 29, 2014 19:53:47 GMT -6
Animals Can Be “Victims” But Are Not PersonsBy Wesley J. Smith National Review Online August 26, 2014 Some animal rights activists are engaging in pronounced wishful thinking about an Oregon Supreme Court ruling. The case found that individual animals can be ”victims” under the animal neglect statutes. Some animal rights types have construed the case as somehow ”landmark” and advancing the animals-are-people-too cause. So, I read the case. Nope. Nyet. Nein. Didn’t happen. Context: The defendant was convicted of 20 counts of animal neglect. He tried to weasel out (get it?) of the charge by claiming only humans as “persons” can be “victims.” The Supreme Court disagreed. From Oregon v. Nix: The ordinary meaning of the word “victim” reflected in a dictionary of common usage is: “1 : a living being sacrificed to some deity or in the performance of a religious rite…
In that light, it can be seen that defendant’s contention that the “plain meaning” of the word “victim” refers only to persons, and not to animals, is predicated on a selective reading of the dictionary definitions. The first sense listed in the definition, for example, refers broadly to “a living being,” not solely to human beings.The question, then, is simply one of legislative intent: In concluding that animals are “victims” for the purposes of ORS 167.325 (2), we emphasize that our decision is not one of policy about whether animals are deserving of such treatment under the law. That is a matter for the legislature…
ORS 167.325, protects individual animals from suffering from neglect. In adopting that statute, the legislature regarded those animals as the “victims” of the offense.So, contrary to activists’ spin, this was not a “landmark” advance for ”animal rights.” Rather, it was a simple case of statutory interpretation that assumes animals are not persons. We owe a duty to animals not to abuse or neglect them. Hence, this decision is absolutely and fully consistent with human exceptionalism. I approve. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the opinion, Oregon Supreme Court Opinion; State vs Nix
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Post by FWS on Aug 29, 2014 17:36:33 GMT -6
Which would be the same for Henry Perry wouldn't you say ? Buying the cuts that were cheap and smoking them................... Thing is you're still only recognizing businesses and competitions, not the historical fact that beef cattle and the method of cooking low and slow over smoke existed in what we know as Texas before there was a Kansas City. Seems that's not true, The Story of Joe DavidsonJoe Davidson is a nationally recognized elite competition barbecue chef and barbecue business leader.
Joe has won more than 300 barbecue championships, including the Jack Daniel’s World Championship, the American Royal World Championship, the Great Pork Barbeqlossal, the Head-to-Head World Championship, the World Brisket Open Championship, the Canadian Salmon Grand Championship, the Rib Championship at the San Antonio Rodeo and BBQ Championship, the Memphis in May World BBQ Championship, and numerous state and regional titles.
He has won for beef, pork, fish, chicken, game, vegetables, sides, sauces, rubs, and marinades. He has won across the regional divides of great barbecue—in Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, the Carolinas, Missouri, Tennessee, and the Pacific Northwest. At the 2009 Memphis in May Championship, Joe set a contest record, winning in five categories (Wings, Beans, Poultry, Vinegar BBQ, and Ribs).And it seems that ol' Joe sold the equipment to and taught the people you're talking about how to use it. Interview: Joe Davidson of Oklahoma Joe’s Bar-B-Cue DV: Did you compete with [former business partner] Jeff Stehney back then, or had you guys always competed against each other?
JD: We competed against each other. He bought his first pit from me in 1990, it was a little 24-inch firebox trailer. And then he came up, got it, spent the night with me, and we cooked together and I showed him how to cook with it. Then we started competing against each other.So yeah, there would be Texas roots to this since Joe doesn't seem to be as strident as you given he's learned from all over, including in TX. DV: One last question, which is underhanded. I’m sure you’re aware that Anthony Bourdain said that Oklahoma Joe’s was his favorite barbecue in the country. That was until he came to Texas and I showed him some of our best barbecue.
JD: I had heard about that.
DV: Any thoughts?
JD: I’d say that barbecue brethren have to stick together, even if they are Red River rivals. How’s that for a political answer? I think that in Texas, they can cook brisket as well as anyone in the world. But to me, when I see nothing but salt and pepper used for seasoning, I’m going, “It could be so much more.” And they probably go, “They overcomplicated it. It could be so much more pure.” But, I only cook for my palate. You can’t be all things to all people.See here's the thing, I prefer no sauce on beef that's cooked low and slow in a smoker or fast on a grill. Perhaps a scoop of pico de gallo or chimichurri and a warm flour tortilla to wrap it up in, or a fresh bollilo or French roll. Save the sauces for pork or chicken, but not always. And I like all the different forms of BBQ, not just one. And I have a real preference for the grass fed natural or organic beef we get out here. Just don't care for the feedlot beef. Guess what, you'll find all of the regional BBQ styles here in CA, as well as those from all over the globe.......................................
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Post by FWS on Aug 29, 2014 8:54:02 GMT -6
It sure is since Kreuz Market in Lockhart, TX started doing it in 1900 and what is now Arthur Bryant's in KC was started by Henry Perry in 1908, he is considered the "father of Kansas City barbecue." Charlie Bryant worked for Henry Perry and inherited the business when ol' Henry passed in 1940, he sold it to his brother Arthur. Oklahoma Joe’s, the place TC is talking about, opened in Stillwater, OK by Joe Davidson, who now lives in Texas. So you can't credit KC with that. But if you look even before that brisket was being smoked and sold in Jewish delis because it was kosher in NYC in the 1800's. Of course we all know that nothing existed until some white European 'discovered' it. So we'd have to ignore that cattle were introduced to the Caribbean, Mexico, and pre-Texas Texas in the 1500's, and that brisket and other various cattle parts were smoked 'barbacoa' style by the indigenous folks, the Spaniards, whichever collection of ethnic groups comprised the pirates, and the African slaves long before any white European or domestic cattle set foot in what is now Missouri. Even ol' Henry Perry would have learned the process of smoking meats from his ancestors who were slaves that learned it from the Caribbean natives. Yes, history is indeed interesting when you actually look at it.
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 14:22:00 GMT -6
Come on, wouldn't it make the show a lot more interesting if it were a large group of 20-something gals all vying for the chance to marry a wealthy older fellow. It's not like that doesn't happen,
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 11:29:14 GMT -6
You have tried to read far too much into it that wasn't really there.
And missed out on good biological, historical, cultural, and political discussions as a result.
Lot of fodder here.
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 11:22:06 GMT -6
Since we're talking about beef, and not bison, or wooly mammoth, or whales or seals.............. Columbus brought the first domestic cattle to the Americas on his second voyage in 1493, and the Spaniards introduced them to the Caribbean islands and what is now Mexico and Texas. So they've had cattle there since the early 1500's with cattle being introduced to California a short while later. The indigenous peoples of the Caribbean had a process of smoking and drying fish and marine mammal meats they called 'barbacoa', which is where the term barbecue came from. The pirates that came a bit later smoked and dried their pilfered cattle barbacoa style to preserve it, they called it 'boucan' which is where the term buccaneers originated. So brisket was being smoked in what is now Texas at least 250 years before cattle arrived in MO, probably closer to 300 years. It's obviously been refined over the years as Jewish, German, Czech and other immigrant groups came. Isn't history fun.
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 10:44:50 GMT -6
Yes they have.................... Which is largely fantasy on your part based on your defensive interpretation. And attributed to me claims I never made and spun off from there.
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 7:27:58 GMT -6
Seems like it's really Texas style brisket by way of Oklahoma to Kansas City...................... At least the NYC guys have the common decency to credit Texas for their part in their barbecue. And I like their serve it as a sandwich concept better. A friend who ran one of his family's restaurants, his brother was the chef, used to make extra prime ribs every night, that and seafood were their specialties, to slice up and serve as sandwiches for lunch the next day, along with a cup of au jus. Just wonderful stuff.
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 6:52:01 GMT -6
Science declares that mozzarella is the best cheese for pizzaBy Robin Burks Tech Times August 27, 2014 All over the world, pizza is one of the most loved foods. However, part of what makes it special is the layer of cheese that's usually put on top. But which cheese is best on pizza? A group of scientists recently asked that question, and after tests, came up with an answer: mozzarella. So what makes mozzarella better than other cheeses? The obvious reasons are that it melts and blisters, without burning, better than other cheeses. However, food scientists at University of Auckland in New Zealand wanted to find out the science behind pizza cheese, so they started baking pizzas to get their answers. "So at first sight it seems really trivial, but actually it's a huge combination of things that contribute to that discreet patch of brown blistering across the pizza," says Bryony James, PhD in the video below. The researchers cooked a variety of pizzas using different cheeses, such as mozzarella, cheddar, Edam and Gruyere. Each pizza was then carefully studied with cameras and computer software, which measured how the cheese browned and the exact amount of oil, water and elasticity. They made detailed diagrams of each pizza based on these measurements. The researchers immediately noticed mozzarella's special bubbling capability. It's a highly elastic cheese, thanks to it having channels of fat content surrounded by protein. When baked, the water in cheese evaporates and becomes steam. This creates bubbling. Mozzarella's stretchy nature allows those bubbles to become big, which causes oil sitting on top of the bubbles to slide down and brown. Eventually, the bubbles pop, leaving a perfectly browned top layer. The other cheeses aren't quite as flexible and don't have the same fat content, so they don't perform as well when baked. Of course, these results don't take into account other pizza toppings, like sauce, meat and vegetables. Finding the perfect combination that's right for you might require a bit of experimentation. The implications of this research, however, could lead to better food preparation, allowing for other research in how to manipulate specific properties in foods. Wouldn't it be nice to have a low-fat cheese that tastes just like its fatty counterparts? Or maybe scientists can create a pizza crust that doesn't get soggy after sitting in the fridge overnight. The possibilities are endless. "When we understand food right down to its micro-structural level," says James. "It gives us the levers we need to change the way it behaves."
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 6:36:21 GMT -6
It's been happening for a while now, As an example............. U.S. Census: Montana cities continue population gains; Missoula County tops 109K"The trend continued to move to urban areas from rural areas, with continued gains on the west side," said Mary Craigle, bureau chief of the Census and Economic Information Center at the state Commerce Department.
Craig Wilson, a political science professor from Montana State University-Billings, agreed.
"We're seeing the same trends we've seen since World War II," he said. "The first of these is the general movement from east to west. The second is the movement from rural to urban, which is extremely significant.
"The real significance of these movements is you have a gradual shift of political power from east to west and from rural to urban because both the (state) House and Senate have to be proportioned based on population."This is what happened in CA, the political power base shifted from rural to urban, same thing happened in WA, OR, FL, AZ, CO, AK, and is happening, already happened, in MO. As things shift HSUS and Co. go back and target states they've tried in before, such as OR and Maine, who each are facing ballot measures on issues that were on the ballot previously. And they have established a presence and have been actively working on issues in those states you mentioned, we've already seen their front groups trying to get trapping on the ballot in MT, they're in WY, they've already forced reactionary legislation in SD, passed ballot measures in MO.................. That argument doesn't really work as it pertains to incidental captures, in fact, trappers need to show concern and make the effort to mitigate that. That's just political reality. It's about the diversity of natural resources too, states like SD and ND do not have anywhere near the diversity of species or habitat types, nor the diversity of user/interest groups as exists in CA, they just simply don't. And that affects the 'makeup' of the agency, which has a Hell of a lot more responsibilities.
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 22:16:22 GMT -6
Wait till you see him with his shirt off, strutting poolside in a speedo.
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 14:52:51 GMT -6
And of course you realize that sometimes you, bust often others have been guilty of that for years. In reality a lot of what you want to blow off as 'unimportant' to you is in fact very important to your interests, but since it's 'not your issue' it's easy to dismiss. And I see it as part of the bigger picture, that nobody exists in their own little sphere, uninfluenced by outside forces.
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 11:58:59 GMT -6
Hunters Not Poachers: Botswana Bushmen to sue government over hunting banSurvival International 26 August 2014 Bushmen hunt for their survival, but are treated like poachers on their land. Africa’s last hunting Bushmen have given formal notice of their intention to sue the Botswana government over its “unlawful and unconstitutional” attempts to starve them off their ancestral land in the Central Kalahari Game Reserve. The Bushmen rely on subsistence hunting to feed their families but face harassment, torture and arrest when found hunting for survival. Earlier this year, the Botswana government issued a nationwide ban on hunting without notifying the Kalahari Bushmen or offering any compensation. This is the fourth time the Bushmen have been forced to resort to legal action against the government in their desperate wish to live in peace on their land. In a landmark victory in 2006, Botswana’s High Court ruled that the Bushmen have the right to live, and hunt, in the Central Kalahari Game Reserve. Despite the High Court ruling, not a single hunting license has been issued to the Bushmen living inside the Central Kalahari Game Reserve. Ironically, wealthy trophy hunters are exempt from the ban and continue to legally hunt giraffes and zebras on private ranches. The Bushmen have hunted game sustainably for many generations, and pose no threat to the survival of wildlife in the Central Kalahari Game Reserve.Bushman Roy Sesana told the Botswana Sunday Standard, "President Ian Khama and his brother Tshekedi [Minister of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism] decided to ban hunting without consulting us. It was a calculated move to starve us out of CKGR [Central Kalahari Game Reserve]. They know that we are dependent on hunting and they decided to ban hunting in CKGR.” President Ian Khama, who sits on the board of Conservation International, claims the move is to protect the diminishing wildlife numbers in Botswana. But tribal peoples like the Bushmen are better at looking after their environment than anyone else. They are the best conservationists of their lands, and the Bushmen’s methods of subsistence hunting with spears, bows and arrows pose no threat to the wildlife of the Central Kalahari Game Reserve. Earlier this year, Bushman spokesperson Jumanda Gakelebone traveled to London to ask for Prince Charles’s support against the hunting ban. The Prince of Wales has backed a new anti-poaching campaign by United for Wildlife, a coalition of conservation organizations including WWF, Conservation International and The Nature Conservancy, and supported by President Khama. Many large conservation organizations fail to distinguish between illegal poachers and tribal peoples hunting for their livelihood – tribesmen are accused of “poaching” because they hunt their food. And they face arrest and beatings, torture and death, while fee-paying big game hunters are encouraged. The government continues to harass and persecute the Bushmen and last year even barred the Bushmen’s long-standing lawyer Gordon Bennett from entering the country to represent his clients. Bennett successfully led three cases for the Bushmen against the government. Stephen Corry, Director of Survival International, the global movement for tribal peoples’ rights, said today, "Tribesmen the world over are being accused of “poaching” because they hunt their food. They face arrest and beatings, torture and death, while fee-paying big game hunters are encouraged. It’s time we recognized that tribal peoples are the best conservationists. Until then, Survival International will continue to fight these abuses, and highlight the fact that tribal peoples’ lives and lands are being destroyed by the conservation industry, tourism and big business."
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 10:44:14 GMT -6
Thing is that none of those laws really protect methodology/method of take, ie; no real protection for the equipment. Nor do they really protect the limit to which one can trap a species.
Fishing is a Constitutional right in CA, but it is subject to regulation.
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 10:32:35 GMT -6
But for me, it is an important component of it, and I'll only shoot those species of waterfowl that are good eating. It works that way with fishing too.
But they also are for many others because they mean increased opportunity, I also like having a 7 month cottontail season, and about 5 months of quail hunting.
They say that about my area as well.
Actually I say try it and you'll lose your prejudice and stop thinking about how unimportant it is. And we're referring to the oceans here.
More like try it for a week or so, enjoy yourself and drag a bunch of frozen fish home to eat while you consider another trip somewhere else for different species. Many, many people do exactly this, there are whole industries built around it.
That's where you get confused, the only way I would recommend 'thinking like me' is to look at other opportunities outside of your sphere, same with foods, that there is a lot more out there.
But when I total up the options I have available to me, add in the fact that I do make good use of them, I look at much of what you fellas list as being unimportant and they never really fit into the equation for me.
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 10:07:51 GMT -6
Chris Soules, Iowa farmer, confirmed as next star of ‘The Bachelor’ The Iowa native was confirmed to be the new ‘Bachelor’ star in an appearance on ‘Good Morning America’ Wednesday. BY Chiderah Monde NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Wednesday, August 27, 2014 A hunky Iowa farmer will be the next "Bachelor." ABC confirmed Wednesday that Chris Soules, 32, has been named as the next star of the long-running romance reality show. After making it to the final rose ceremony during Andi Dorfman's "Bachelorette" season, Soules, an Arlington, Iowa native, "absolutely" believes he can find love again on TV. "That's why I'm doing it," Soules said on "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "I believe in the process. I believe in what I went through on the previous show and that's why I'm doing it… I wouldn't do it if I didn't feel like that was a potential." The farming advocate said being eliminated by Dorfman just before the finale was "tough." "But that means it worked for me," he told People magazine. "I fell in love with Andi and got to a point where I really saw that potential. ... The fact that it worked makes me confident that being the bachelor will work for me." News of his new TV gig was apparently leaked — or hinted at — by another potential "Bachelor" a few days early. "I'm not the Bachelor," Arie Luyendyk Jr., another former contestant from Emily Maynard's "Bachelorette" season, tweeted Monday. "Have fun on the farm people." Fans quickly gathered he was talking about a particular Iowa farmer. Soules has been a fan favorite since his run on the show — and to more than just scores of potential bachelorettes. He has become the local face of farming in his home state, and even got a shoutout from Texas Gov. Rick Perry during a political visit. "Enjoyed meeting Chris from the bachelor at the Iowa State Fair today," Perry tweeted Aug. 12. Soules succeeds Juan Pablo Galavis, whose turn on the show ended in disappointment when he decided not to propose to his choice girl, Nikki Ferrell.
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 9:52:39 GMT -6
Sure it is, remember when I said you're not aware of things because they were 'not your issue', that's the case here. You really don't know how much has gone on here because of the sheer diversity of issues that are not issues elsewhere because they don't have the resources.
You're just speculating, I'm speaking from experience from direct observation and having worked on a lot of issues for years.
Oh yes they do, even an unsuccessful campaign has it's rewards for them, in public exposure and strategically.
Only in a couple, but that can change as the demographics change and it will...................
Even in states like SD the shift in population is to urban/suburban voters, because that's what the trend has been nationally for decades and those are the people moving to SD as businesses go there.
Same thing happened in CA.
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Post by FWS on Aug 26, 2014 20:30:15 GMT -6
Watch this dude, And no more complaining about hitting them with a shotgun.
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Post by FWS on Aug 26, 2014 15:28:41 GMT -6
Kinda the opposite here, it costs them a lot to push anything in CA. Ballot measures here might have become more expensive than they're willing to pay for on small issues.
Been there, done that, spent a lot doing so in the past, on this one my time and effort has been limited by needing a bit of surgery and more importantly, that my dad is nearing the end so my efforts went to him so he'd have a better quality of life, and take the pressure off mom. Got him out and about as much as I could, fed him well, find him the stuff to make it easier, safer, for him etc.
Add in several other issues I was already working on that pay.
In the sense that CA has an initiated ballot measure process, but they do face a fight on legislation and on our issues we usually win.
Remember that CA gets targeted a lot because of the abundance and diversity of natural resources and the activities/businesses that depend on them. So you'll see or hear more about them, but it's going on all over.
Bobcats, BTW, are not a new issue, nor is the attempt to eliminate their take or trade. That battle has been ongoing for 45 years, this is just the latest scuffle.
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Post by FWS on Aug 26, 2014 15:05:34 GMT -6
As do you.................. Sure, I'm really quite excited by the limit of 10 per day with 30 in possession of specks and Aleutians, and I'm sad that you don't have them, perhaps if you did you would want to hunt waterfowl again. Just consider me an evangelical waterfowler/upland bird hunter/fisherman/home cook. And they'd rather have specks to shoot and eat in the same quatities. Just ask em'.............. Yet you would choose to if you had specks available in numbers and with a generous bag limit. Specklebellies are considered to be the best eating goose of all, and maybe the best eating waterfowl period. I've never said that wild caught seafood would displace chicken in the US................ And we're not having market problems for most of what the independent small coastal community kinda fishermen catch, the prices keep going up because the markets have changed and broadened. The prices being paid to the fishermen for some species would blow your mind.
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