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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 15, 2016 6:11:16 GMT -6
Fair enough.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 15, 2016 6:10:35 GMT -6
No have the knowledge to know that what your insisting on being a document in written word as far as passing scores for various traps all falls into methodology and has nothing to do with the selected tool getting such a score. I am also insisting that holding coons in water for the duration would never be considered a scientific study for the best management practices protocol.
You could talk to anyone you wish and you are free to use the methods you feel,is best for your situation.
I do not need 20,000 coons under my belt to know that restraining raccoons in water for a period of up to 24 hrs will never become a topic of discussion in the BMPs.
Again 20 years and counting and no state has to make the BMP's written rule or law. Guidelines and great PR put out from AFWA.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 15, 2016 5:20:37 GMT -6
Early on in the fall many of those young coyotes stay in close proximity to one another and many will hunt together, setting certain areas dictaitdictate what is caught. are you setting traps on one family group? Or setting locations that multiple groups come and visit?
Sure having A couple coyotes in traps adds value for more to come in and investigate. Calling coyotes durring the fall you get more multiples comming in than single coyotes for the most part.
Aerial hunting has shown how many coyotes are actually in an area and at the right times those numbers can be amazing.
So when it comes to traps where you set dictaits what your end results will be in an area.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 15, 2016 4:51:40 GMT -6
Tman I know in the past the entire "spot" concept was a long and worn out topic , yet are these locations the "spot" on your farms or "edge" and travel way sets?
I Know hard to see by your pictures but what makes 1,2,3,4 and pic 6 the spots?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 14, 2016 19:07:24 GMT -6
264 win magnum is a great caliber, a state trapped friend of mine still uses his for coyote control. He has shot alot of coyotes through the years with it, very few runners LOL.
I believe he uses the Nosler 140 grain bal tips on his?
The beauty of the 6.5 Creedmoor is longer barrel life, non belted magnum and less powder but still very capable at 1,000 yrds and further. Plus less recoil as well. Slightly out performs the 260 by a small margin and does sow,it ha 30 degree shoulder. Based of the 30 TC case.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 14, 2016 18:59:01 GMT -6
You can talk all you want about 1,000's of coons held in water, but in a BMP scientific study? Sorry your going to lose that one all day long in the realm of public,opinion and dealing with hypothermia. Unless you have actually body temped those coons in your traps.
The discussion would stop with holding them restrained for the entire duration in water in Months of Novemeber and December. Doesn't matter how many coons you have trapped. that study would never take place under the BMP criteria . Traps not methods.
Yet again as guidelines do as you wish, just don't ever think in a scientific review your going to get anyone to along with such, as then the trap means nothing just the ability to keep the coon from chewing the foot by holding them in water and short chains.
This becomes 100 percent method , zero on the traps AKA the tool being tested.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 14, 2016 18:03:52 GMT -6
Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Brought by Families of Sandy Hook Victims Against Rifle Maker A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit brought by the families of the Sandy Hook victims against Remington Arms, the maker of the rifle used in the elementary school shooting that left 20 children and six educators dead.
In dismissing the lawsuit, Judge Barbara Bellis wrote in her decision that "Congress, through the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), has broadly prohibited lawsuits 'against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms...for the harm solely caused by the criminal or unlawful misuse of firearm products...by others when the product functioned as designed and intended."
The present case, which seeks damages for harms, including the death of the victims, that were caused solely by the criminal misuse of a weapon by Adam Lanza, falls within the broad immunity provided by PLCAA, Bellis wrote. Bellis wrote that the case also does not fit within the narrow exception that PLCAA provides.
Finally, the plaintiffs also cannot avail themselves under the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act (CUPTA) to bring the lawsuit within PLCAA's exceptions. Under CUPTA, a plaintiff must allege a consumer, competitor or other commercial relationship with the defendant. In the current case, the plaintiffs did not allege any such relationship.
The lawsuit was filed against Remington, distributor Camfour Inc. and gun shop Riverview Sales that sold the gun. Riverview applied for Chapter 7 bankruptcy over the summer.
The suit was originally filed in state court and was sent to federal court before being remanded back to state court.
Law firm Koskoff, Koskoff and Bieder argued that the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle shouldn’t have been released to the public and belongs only in the hands of military and law enforcement personnel.
Get free real-time news alerts from the Newtown Patch. SUBSCRIBE Advocates on all sides of the gun control issue have awaited the decision because it could have impact on a strong federal law that provides immunity to manufacturers, distributors and sellers of firearms when they are used illegally.
Since the start law experts expected that the suit would have a tough time in court due to PLCAA.
"While the families are obviously disappointed with the judge’s decision, this is not the end of the fight," Josh Koskoff from Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, one of the lawyers representing the families, said of the decision. "We will appeal this decision immediately and continue our work to help prevent the next Sandy Hook from happening.”
Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy issued the following statement:
“While today is a deeply disappointing day for the families, their appeal will continue this fight for justice. As I have stated before, the laws providing unique protections to gun manufacturers need to be changed to give crime victims a right to pursue legal remedies.” The Dec. 14, 2012, shooting occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. Shooter Adam Lanza killed his mother Nancy Lanza at their home before going to the school and killing 20 students and six adults. He then shot himself before police arrived.
Patch will update this breaking news story. Refresh this page for updates.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 11, 2016 20:30:03 GMT -6
Yes same here bow season, rifle season , then doe only season, muzzleloader season , and this year all archery hunting can be done with a crossbow for anyone with a valid license.
They wonder why deer numbers are down? Too many years of double doe tags and 2 bucks per hunter . Many areas get hammered hard from Sept to Decemeber.
Missouri has a lot of rifle,deer hunters opening weekend zero fun and just do not go then, checking traps,one has to be very aware of your surroundings.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 11, 2016 20:26:27 GMT -6
Aging of teeth can be very good,information for any game agency really. Gives a good break down of deer harvested by age groups and can keep an eye on the overall population, when living in SD all deer had to send it teeth just like all bobcats had teeth collection as well. The biologist in our regional office would spend a lot of time checking those teeth .
Here in Missouri they send out random tooth collection envelopes.
Tooth aging durring periods of EHD can show good data as well.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 11, 2016 19:14:59 GMT -6
Does WV mandate you send in teeth for aging?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 11, 2016 19:14:07 GMT -6
Wow that is a young harvest. I have seen this in some areas on Mule deer just because everyone sees high racks and shoots, the issue being ma y of their Muley bucks are not even 2 years of age, has an impact in some areas on Muley rack sizes for sure.
Many doing a better job and here in Missouri in many areas they have to have 4 points on one side to be a legal deer.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 10, 2016 17:18:03 GMT -6
That is still a young deer let him go another 2 years and he will be much better.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 7, 2016 20:28:50 GMT -6
Dead one or not hypothermia does not alway lead to death but other health concerns are present. People or coons.
Your never going to get a BMP written where the method for a passing score involves complete restrain In a body of water for the duration of containment, the credibility factor for such scientific testing would be gone. Co2 aphyciation due to drowning would have a better chance and in fact has been discussed with beaver and muskrats.
Short Chains and water to keep them for getting to,their feet as the method? Not going to,happen, but again the beauty is you can still,use those methods on your own trap line if you wish.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 6, 2016 17:21:46 GMT -6
The dynamic that changed was the term "hypothermia" . We would then have to test every trap in all states the same way to get a consistent test score. The score would be then held up on the availability to restrain in water. They would end up being 2 seperate BMP's one dry land and one contained in water. As the results would surely be different.
Hypothermia in a human is classified as a drop in body temp of 3.7 degrees or more. What would it be in a raccoon being held in cold water in late fall or early winter? How would we test for such? Or do we just allow hypothermia as one of the built ins for the testing?
Imagine the public looking at the document?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 6, 2016 5:22:04 GMT -6
Well Johnny Morris owner of Bass Pro Springfield,Mo has just gotten very big. With help of Goldman Sachs will be purchasing Cabeals for 6.5 Billions by Spring. He will keep it all private ,no more stock in Cabela's. Also capital one bought out the credit card side of Cabeals of undisclosed amount of cash. That is bigger I am sure than the 5.5 billion deal for all the stores.
Should be interesting to see what happens what stores remain open and which he decides to close, as in many markets where he has 2 stores one will go .
Looking to become the Wal mart of the outdoor world it seems.
My days shopping at either might be comming to a close.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 5, 2016 19:57:55 GMT -6
Yep no coon knowledge at all, a few caught by luck yep that is it.
No the vet council is not telling you how to trap or anyone else, they where and are a part of the testing protocol for coon restraint traps and all others that have been tested over the last 20 years. Not once has the vet council told you or I how to trap.
Guidelines once again, guidelines. They have a protocol and look at options but testing the device not the method. Holding coon in water for the entire time was something they wanted.
If you choose to do so your are free to do so correct?
They never even looked at snares for coons to date, yet I have snared a good pile of them thru the years. The vet council,never told me not to use snares for coons.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 5, 2016 19:48:26 GMT -6
Call me what ever you wish. My wife did not comment on what I stated, she did say Hillairy had a fake smile, deplorable? I think not.
So PC at times. Saturday night live has been doing less than stellar character skits on every presidential nominee for how many years? Yet my joker comment is off the charts? Really?
Remember the Palin skits? Heck even I laughed at them and found Them funny.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 5, 2016 5:35:26 GMT -6
I have purchased a 6.5 Creedmoor awhile back topped it off with a vortex HST 4-16 scope with MOA reticle , and hand loading has shown this to be a very accurate caliber with high BC and great wind bucking abilities. All of my shooting so far has been on paper but have settled into the Nosler 129 LR AB with H 4350 powder. Makes great groups and should be a good hunting bullet. While the .243 is still my favorite coyote caliber the 6.5 creed will be getting some use for coyotes.
My shots in Missouri not near as far as out west but still want to see how this bullet performs on coyotes and other critters.
Anyone else with a new rifle for calling coyotes this year?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 4, 2016 18:12:20 GMT -6
We are not drowning coons, nor to the majority of coyotes have the tendency to chew on their feet.
Coons early on where tested with over hanging cover they still did not pass, over head cover by itself is not going to help chewing, they tried it the traps still failed,amputation is not a good score for sure.
Holding in water? Not an option due to restrainting the coon in water itself, would not pass the vet council either. Hypothermia then becomes an issue. Before your state it does not, well yes it does as any warm blooded critter you keep in water below room the tempature is going to lower the body tempature. We are talking critters of 15-20 lbs. hours being held in the water and water temp all play into core body tempature. No way vet council would proceed with holding coons in water exclusively . Back to methods and not the trap.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 4, 2016 18:06:45 GMT -6
Funny Tman my wife had no objection to me stating Hillary looked like the joker? Yet you do?
In fact my wife commented how she dislikes people with fake smiles , people try too hard at times and makes them look unnatural. Could this fit Hillary and pass your test of deplorable?
She calls Trump a racist that is cool though? Yes I know you and Hillary seem to think so , but me saying she looks like the joker a comic book character is off the charts?
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