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Post by SteveCraig on May 16, 2006 22:16:31 GMT -6
Bub, I once had a client that wanted to shoot coyotes at 1000 yards.
I said the whole idea was to call them close and shoot them at 50.
But we compromised, and I had him shooting our little grey fox at 1-300 yards.
Should be a piece of cake for a SWAT team sniper and he had shot deer at well over 1700 yards and more than one, too!
But those little grey fox that he missed shot after shot, really took a toll on the poor guy. After 4 days of calling and about 20 greys called and missed, he finally shot one............
15 yards!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I told him that I hoped I didnt need him to take out a terrorist that was about to take my life!
The funny thing was , he kept blaming the misses on his scope. A $2500 one that will remain unnamed here! Several here have already made reference to it though! ;D
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Post by lb on May 16, 2006 23:58:19 GMT -6
Now, that's funny! I don't care who you are....forgive me, Lord and be with those starving pigmies in Africa.
PS Steve, my grandson missed the same coyote, twice at ten feet, (maybe twelve) and he wasn't moving, either. It's called choke.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by gunny on May 16, 2006 23:59:04 GMT -6
I have a Shepherd 310 P-1 mounted on a .300WM.
The glass quality is on par with Leupold.
The furtherest hunting shot I made with it was an Oryx at 500yds.
On a good day I can hit the 1000yd. gong.
The only drawback is the reticle is a little "busy" for quick shooting 1-300yds. The reticle could be improved by replacing some of the close range-finding circles with stadia lines.
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Post by bubcat on May 17, 2006 16:40:20 GMT -6
AT 15 ft.... LMAO But I think I got ya beat.
Last fall I had this one semi guided hunter. I'd had him on great ground, but he was having poor luck it seemed. No moose yet ( now I know why) I took him out with me 4 days into into his hunt to see if we could change his luck...
Headed on a paper company road through the choppings some 14 miles out, we come around a bend onto this cow moose. She didn't want to yield the road, about had her chin on my truck hood, just standing there in the middle of the road. i backed up gentle, to get a liitle distance, and she just stood there, smack in the miidle of the logging road.... waiting, at no more than 15 ft. I shut the engine off.
In the cab we're talking, and the fella's got an either sex tag..It's a very big cow, and he decides he'd like to take it. Here, I'll add that I stopped off in the morning, and had him shoot a 100 yd poke... he come within 6 inches.... Good enough I thought, What with shooting at a 3 ft square on a moose.... I'd keep him within 50 yds, and get this done,
So, he's standing there, right off my front fender, and the moose is in the middle of the looging road, 15 ft in front of him. It was exactly 5:27 PM... and he shoulders, and drops the rifle looking over the top, and shoulder, and drop, and shoulders, and lowers, and scrunches down,up.down. up down, up down... for ONE FULL MINUTE.
It's now 5:28 PM. and the fella, KNEELS DOWN to take his shot... with this moose just standing there looking at him at 15 ft, patiently waiting for me to move the truck over I guess. I can't see the fella now, but NOTHING. He stands up, And I'm not lying... EXTENDS a pair of 22 inch harris bipods, and SITS down to take this shot!
I about choked on a snickers bar when I see that. I'd never seen the beat of it!
It's now 5:29PM. and I can't believe my eyes. He's been setting down there for a bit now. I stuck my head out the window, and grunted at the cow... (anything to open this up, I thought) and she two steps a roll completely BROADSIDE now, looking over her shoulder at us, and stands there for about eight to ten seconds, before squaring off and facing us again, I can't see the shooter with the bipods down by my front passenger tire, and I'm wondering if he had a heart attack or something,. . I grunt one more time, and about now the cow is getting kind of sick of all this, Her back is humped, ears back, licking her licks, she turns again , broadside to us, but takes another step around. I know she's leaving, She's had enough of this hoop-la, and KA- BLAMMMM, barks the 300 Win mag at point blank range... with the one bullet he took out of the cab... and the cow moose strolled on back down the road... a clean miss at 15 ft.
During the earlier target session, He'd cranked it up to 20x power and left it there. Said, "I couldn't see the moose in the crosshairs... all I see was black..."
All he see was black... cripes, I coulda rolled the window down, and talked a blind nun through shooting it from the hip! Two steps forward, lean into it a little, he'd a poked her in the ribs with muzzle..
Took 4 more days of more of the same to get that tag filled, but the entertainment value made it all worth while. ;D
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Post by bubcat on May 17, 2006 16:54:32 GMT -6
Now... 1700 yds? what kinda whomph has a 300 got at 1700 yds? Seems like if it was a tracer round , you could almost pick one up in a catchers mitt out that far? Geez! That's a poke! My best is 758 yds, and that's about maxed out for me. I "might" be able to hit one at 1,000 but that's just hittin em in the deer. I don't usually shoot at animals any further than range or condition where I can consistently hit a pie plate. I know my limitations, and I'd like to kill em, not just "hit" em.
1700 yds, geez, that's phenomenal if it's true. WOW!
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Post by SteveCraig on May 17, 2006 18:54:42 GMT -6
Rob, Your moose guy sounds about like one of my lion guys!
Was his name Clarence? ;D
I saw the pics of the deer, a blacktail and it was taken in Calf. by this guy and his friend. His friend is a friend of mine too and he swears it is the truth. I have no reason to doubt his word. For the life of me, I cant remember the caliber, but it was some kind of a wildcat and it wasnt a 300 Win. Our mutual friend never quit razzing and ragging on him the whole 4 days!
He told me that he had killed several deer at many ranges all over 1200 to 1500 yards! The 1700 was his farthest. It was like 1703 or something with a rangefinder. Heck, that is only 60 yards short of a mile! I was sceptical too, but I still have no reason to doubt my friend as he is a straight up guy. Steve
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Post by bubcat on May 17, 2006 20:55:54 GMT -6
Oh, I don't particularly doubt it Steve, I just think it's phenomenal.
I've never thought to test the waters to that extent, and I can't even imagine the trajectory at such a distance for a hand held weapon. I mean a 180 grain slug coming out of anything at maybe 4,000 fps, and we're talking what? a bullet arc of twenty feet at least I'd imagine... maybe more. I don't know. It's off the charts for me. ( and how much knock down power is left at that distance?) And thats just trajectory, never mind to factor in a cross wind. Holy smokes, that's a shot! Hat's off to the fella.
I had a wildcat rifle once. Had to make the ammo for it. It was a 458 winchester Magnum, necked down to 30 cal. with a 1 inch bull barrel. and a 6x24 Leupold. Weighed about 30 lbs stock and all. Chronographed it flying a 180 gr boat tail 4,300 some odd FPS which I'd say had some oomph, (I fired it once out a window, and didn't have as much barrel out the window as I thought, and it peeled the paint off the sash!) and that dropped around 7ft in 800 yds if I recall.
Be interesting to know what the heck that fella had going for a canon... I was reading last year about somebody making 180 grain sabot slugs for the 50 BMG, and I got thinking about 1,000, 1,200 yds possibility's, but I couldn't find any ballistics on it. Just that some folks were shooting it.
1700yds... Man that's a long poke!
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Post by dj88ryr on May 18, 2006 20:32:29 GMT -6
I thought I read some where, maybe Soldier of Fortune, that we were using the Barrett 50 Cal. sniper gun in Grenada, there were several recorded one shot kills out to 1/2 mile, but a mile?? Long shot, for sure, I would love to get my hands on one of them Barretts, last I checked they were in the neighborhood of $5,000, to much for a toy that would be expensive and difficult to use.
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Post by Stanley on May 19, 2006 5:44:10 GMT -6
Maybe you guys know his name. He was a Marine in Vietnam. The book is ,"Marine Sniper" . He made a super long shot, took out someone on a bicycle. He mounted a scope on ,I think a 50 cal. The Marines ended up making him a sniper instructor.
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Post by gunny on May 19, 2006 6:40:47 GMT -6
Carlos Hathcock AKA "Whitefeather"
A canadian team holds the current record at 2400+ meters for a confirmed combat kill.
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Post by Bristleback on May 20, 2006 21:41:41 GMT -6
I read a book about Carlos Hathcock, very interesting reading. Any other books on snipers you would recommend.....for entertainment reading similar to Mr Hathcock, not how to become a sniper. The stories were incredible.......had a heck of a time putting it down.
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Post by rk660 on Oct 15, 2006 9:04:41 GMT -6
There is a "history of Sniping" book I have, tells of confederate snipers who where better trained, used camoflauge and concealment techniques, and shot, in 1860's money, $400 Whitworth rifles imported from England, that made common 500 yard shots on their Union counterparts. They where using sniper techquies very similar to modern snipers in that day and age. Using all available cover, waiting undetected for long periods of time for a high value target . Supposedbly even made some 800-100 yard shots. Union "sharpshooters" usually volley fired en mass on targets. The Germans had a highly trained and effective sniper program in WW1 which everyone else quickly copied. The British became very adept at countersniping after suffering demoralizing losses from the German sniper. The US has started and stopped sniper programs after every major war, until Vietman, when after seeing the value of an effective sniper program made famous by Handcock and others, then kept its sniper program active and improved it to its current status of the best sniper program in the world. About all our allies send their snipers to Marine sniper school.
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Post by buckfreak on Oct 15, 2006 10:18:18 GMT -6
Bristleback, a couple good reads on snipers are: Stalk and Kill, The thrill and danger of the sniper experience by Adrian Gilbert and Inside the Crosshairs Snipers in Vietnam by Michael Lee Lanning. You could probably pick em up at Barnes and Noble or about any good book store. If ya can't find em let me know and You can borrow mine.
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Post by markymark on Oct 15, 2006 17:03:24 GMT -6
The book you want is "One shot one kill" by the later Carlos Hathcock Not Handcock he was know as White Feather. His longest confirmed kill was a little over 2500 yards. Even after the war he had a bounty on his head from the Vietnamesse. Don't hold me to this but I believe he had 167 confrimed snipes and another 100 or so unconfirmed making him the greatest sniper in history hands down. He favored the 50, 308 and the 308 Lapua. It's a great read.
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Post by dj88ryr on Oct 15, 2006 19:15:04 GMT -6
193 confirmed kills.
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Post by FWS on Oct 15, 2006 20:26:27 GMT -6
93 confirmed kills, not 193. His total was over 100, but only 93 confirmed, I have his book sitting right here. Still pretty impressive.
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