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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 31, 2006 9:08:49 GMT -6
Bit my tongue as long as I could... I own the two most recent models Bill put out, have them packed in the truck for a trip I'm leaving on this morning. Don't hypothosize on things too long folks, get the facts. My opinion- TrappinCoyotes37 is talking out his a$$. There is no comparison to the volume levels in the new release and last years model. The new one is half-again louder, and holds clarity and quality just the same. It's ridiculous to type such trash and expect nobody to call you on it. Long story short, TrappinCoyotes has not made one true statement according to all my experience in the field and around the country with other WT owners. This tells me he either has an agenda or needed to hear himself type. Many folks on this site saw my newest WT in action at the FTA national. There's some earth anchor vendor walking around out there with a ruptured ear drum that'd love to talk WT volume levels with you.
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Post by GUTPYLZ on Aug 31, 2006 11:40:58 GMT -6
Not to butt in, but I didn't take it the way you are. He gave props to both the WT and the FoxPro. I think he gave HIS personal opinion, and like most topics, we all take it for what it's worth. I just don't think we should rip someone for there opinion. Please take this in a kind way, because that is how it is meant.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 31, 2006 11:59:54 GMT -6
JRB sorry but unless the guy I know got a lemon or batteries where down on juice the volume wasn't there and I asked him is that as loud as it gets he stated to me yes!!!
I talk on facts and nothing less my man, you want to float the WT boat go for it could care less. I'm telling you with 100% honesty the problems I and others have had in the past with WT's take it or leave it it is fact.
I have no beef nor represent any 1 caller I'm telling you of what I have found to be truthful to my ears and what has happened out in the field.
You want to run WT go for it, others do as well, some like fox pro others like the maniska I will judge after trying it out. The point as I stated is anything electronic and freqancys will have issues time to time, but I want something more dependable. If you ask me it sounds as you have the bias not me. Re read my post before going off on a tangant.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 31, 2006 14:00:01 GMT -6
As a note you state last years model? Was this the speaker and remote only but maybe with a smaller speaker or less power? or was it like the model I have that is 5 years old? Unit,2 way,remote and speaker?
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Post by edge on Aug 31, 2006 21:12:51 GMT -6
**My opinion- TrappinCoyotes37 is talking out his a$$. **
Well,I guess I must be too then,right?
Be very careful JRB in confusing the fans with the players.
Edge
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Post by jrbhunter on Sept 1, 2006 15:44:59 GMT -6
I don't care what you use... it sounds like there will never be a unit good enough for you and your coyotes anyway. There was a major misrepresentation of volume levels on the new WT, that's all I wanted to point out. Weather it was a mistake or white lie we'll never know... but every new WT owner out there can see right through it. It's not hard to find speculation about the WT online, but it's rare to find someone with real experience in electronic calls to downplay the product.
Battery power on the new units is great in my opinion... I've been hunting off and on for the last 12 days without a recharge on mine. It will run for 4 hours at full volume before dying... it then dies quickly, symptoms of low battery are only apparent for 2-3 minutes before total silence. A guy could hunt 3-4 days fairly hard without needing a charge... much like the previous model.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 1, 2006 16:34:17 GMT -6
JRB not a lie at all! You tell me is last years model the speaker and remote only? I heard the WT speaker and remote only just 1 week ago, and if that is all it had it clearly was not as loud as the old WT plain and simple. Now if you tell me last year he came out with the speaker and remote only and had a different watt speaker or amplifier that isn't the same great, I will check with the guy that has his again, so either he has a different unit or his isn't as loud as yours, if your claim that the new WT speaker and remote only is head and shoulders above the 15 w unit I own with 2 way,speaker, remote and black box then great do so, but the one I heard was not no lie.
I have experiance with the OLD WT and I and others ie: EDGE tells you of problems I"m damn sick and tired of hearing" users fault" that is plain BS. We will see on volume of all makes as guy on Predator masters is doing a study of all major units and taking all factors in some he has posted over there he is working on sound now.
JRB, I'm looking for the best unit for ME and others I know that aren't as haapy as your are. I didn't flat out bash WT I stated the + and - of the unit we have period. The best for you mt be the "NEW" WT for others it maybe something else or not yet built.
I want volume sufficant to the old WT, I want a fast remote to change sounds with 1 push of a button, I want that response time to be almost instant, I want an easy to carry unit that can be packed in 1-3 miles. I want long battery life, I want the ability to add or delete sounds, and I want it to be able to take abuse and not have to plug or unplug anything. I want it to weigh in at less than 4 lbs total weight. For some that maybe the WT and others it won't that is why America is great we still are a free country. I will find out the exact spects of the WT I heard and will report back those findings, but don't ever think I speak out I disagree because that isn't what is going on here period. In the last few months in speaking with call manufactures I have found out more about sound and chit than I care to know, I'm a coyote caller not a RF engineer/ sound engineer. JRB if you are either enlighten us all please.
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Post by SteveCraig on Sept 1, 2006 19:48:28 GMT -6
TC, Right now, I have numbers 9, 11, and 14 of about 15 different WT models! #14 weighs less than 2 pounds with a 12volt gell cell batt., a 30 watt speaker, and a remote that will work for 1 mile if need be. Also instant sound change with just a push of a button. And volume that will blow your eardrums at 10 feet. Yours has to be one of numbers 5 through 12, as the remote tooka while to play the sound, but never more and a couple of seconds!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 1, 2006 20:13:14 GMT -6
So tell me what makes a new model in the WT line? A bigger speaker? Or differant remote? Mine is the motorola remote with keypad white buttons and having to enter each number then #.
Say the last 3-4 models have the newer remote on the web sight? I have the 12v gel cell that I like, beats all the AA batteries for sure. I also think it helped with volume in a small way.
I have the 15 watt speaker, but looking at the TOA site a guy can get up to 50W if one needs, I'm wondering if anything could use all 50 watts of the speaker? As I have stated the volume is plenty good with the 15 w.
Boy didn't know voicing opinions on callers would bring such venom and fire from so many LOL. I'll stand behind my post though 100%.
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Post by Brad H on Sept 2, 2006 0:57:07 GMT -6
The subject of callers has always been a touchy deal. Sometimes a guy doesn't know what he wants until he's tries one of the products in question.
My WT has the FRS remote. I like it because I can put the caller wherever I want, as far away as I want, and line of sight doesn't matter in the least. That's what sold me on it, and the function is everything it claimed to be. Unfortunately, I don't think that remote is available anymore and I don't know anything about the new style.
A friend of mine got a Bandit with the built in cone speaker. We did a little comparing and the WT I have is louder. Some of the Bandit sounds are damn near as loud and some aren't close. But it came with 100 sounds and if a guy fancies the JS sounds or even his own, (like most do), they can be put on there. And like the FX3, a TOA can be added to it.
I have no use for adding or playing with sounds. I had a Loudmouth that I could do that with and I didn't care for it. I just wanted a good variety of decent sounds and be done with it. Every one of the 24 WT sounds on my caller is equally loud and clear. Say what you want about BM, but a lot of time and effort obviously went into recording the sounds they have.
My remote takes three pushes of a button to change sounds. One to change volume. The Bandit is one push and right now on sound change with a scrolling volume. It also works great out of line of sight. I didn't get a chance to push it but it worked without a miss where ever I wanted the caller to be.
The Bandit is lighter but I don't mind a bit carrying a little extra. I've had my WT a little over a year and haven't had a problem with it and couldn't be happier. Again, my tastes differ from most and I wanted something that would put me over the top calling these endless badlands. I haven't got to play with a FX3 yet but from my understanding they're equal to the Bandit.
Peter did a fantastic job with the caller comparisons on PM. The only problem is, it's been a while and everything he used is getting close to obsolete. It's tough to keep up anymore.
Brad
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Post by mean1 on Sept 2, 2006 16:55:39 GMT -6
Anyone ever try the Phantom series caller? Just curious how loud it was compared to other callers.
mean1
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Post by qwagoner on Sept 3, 2006 20:16:00 GMT -6
>:(Thirty watt speakers? One hundred sounds? Long battery life? How many buttons? How much money? LOL
I have an old Pee Wee CritR Call that I have had to super-Glue back together twice. I kill 75% of my coyotes with 1 sound on low volume. What the hell am I missing?
Good hunting.
Q,
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 4, 2006 21:20:22 GMT -6
Q, according to 1 manufacture the whole kit and kaboodle ;D As everyone knows you can't call in coyotes with a hand call
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Post by trappnman on Sept 5, 2006 7:23:19 GMT -6
Obviously, different strokes for different folks.
no right or wrong-
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Post by jrbhunter on Sept 5, 2006 9:55:56 GMT -6
I'm a coyote caller not a RF engineer/ sound engineer. JRB if you are either enlighten us all please. Nope, I'm a civil engineer but I do call a few coyotes.
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Post by FWS on Sept 5, 2006 11:57:46 GMT -6
Why not build your own digital call like I did. An mp3 player can be had on Ebay for under $20 and the rest of the components for under $30. A remote for about $50.
Plenty of sounds available too, and you can scrub em' up, modify em' or combine em' with free software like Goldwave.
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Post by SteveCraig on Sept 12, 2006 19:24:43 GMT -6
"What the hell am I missing?"
Good hunting.
Q,
I would say alot of lions, bobcats, and bears. ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are just stuck on coyotes! You ole coyote killer , you!
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Post by edge on Sept 12, 2006 20:45:05 GMT -6
I splurged at the UTA and purchased 2 critter call pee-wees,2 song dogs,and 2 Magnums........10-11 bucks apiece with extra reeds and bands to boot........but I am not *rabidly*against electronics;just HEAVY electronics.
Edge
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 20, 2006 6:41:49 GMT -6
I think I found what I'm looking for in the Minaska Big Country! Wow what volume from such a small, well built package. Sound quailty is very good and the remote is the best out there, 1 button sound selection and change. Decent range and on the second stand 3 mintues in popped an adult female. Ability to add or change sounds, 2 speakers on this unit a 10w TOA built in and 15w speaker for it's size what clarity and volume it can punch!
12V Gell cell insie of a sturdy case. Will keep testing it, but so far an impressive unit.
Here is some more I have found out about sound in relation to power and volume.
1dB is roughly the smallest change we can perceive. Have you ever wondered why a 100 Watt amp doesn't sound twice as load as a 50 Watt amp? It's because double the power is equivalent to only a 3dB increase in volume!
This is the same for any power comparison: provided you use the same speakers, and the same amp design (more on that later), 60 watts is 3dB louder than 30 watts, 400 watts is 3dB louder than 200 watts, etc.
Likewise, double the volume requires roughly a 6dB increase, which is equivalent to 4 times the power!
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Post by lb on Sept 20, 2006 16:31:39 GMT -6
Ole Bill is probably under sedation, somewhere? I bet he can't wait to attack Minaska.
Good hunting. LB
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