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Post by BrandonH on Feb 15, 2008 19:24:53 GMT -6
I'd rather have a kid trap and sell to Groeny than have a kid not trap because there is no place around to sell......
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Post by trappnman on Feb 15, 2008 19:31:36 GMT -6
if the fur has value, it can be sold. groeny doesn't go east of Indiana if that, nor west of the dakotas- and hey, guess what- they all sell their fur....
and the upper midwest, the bulk of his routes, have local buyers and NAFA, FHA pickup routes.
I rather trappers get treated fair, but I can see thats just me.
never thought I'd see the day, when certain practices get the support of other trappers.
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Post by BrandonH on Feb 15, 2008 19:42:24 GMT -6
Steve, You're fortunate. You have a great relationship w/ a local buyer. And, you have other buyers around that you could go to if necessary. I'm in the same boat. Our club runs 3 local fur sales (in January, Feb, and April)that are well attended by good buyers. FHA and NAFA agents are both friends of mine and close by. Plus I have a list of about buyers that I could call and meet up w/ to sell. Not everybody has all our options, and for them Groeny serves a purpose whether it be on a fur route or through the mail. I want to see trappers treated fairly, too.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 15, 2008 19:58:13 GMT -6
fair enough
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Post by lumberjack on Feb 15, 2008 20:28:36 GMT -6
I sure wouldnt mind the option of having a guy (be it Groney or anybody) having a route in my vicinty. Couldnt hurt to have a guy get a quote on my furs. I have about 50 pelts now that I am sitting on and have to wait till the April sale at FHA which is looking a long ways off from now.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 15, 2008 20:32:58 GMT -6
yet doesn't just about every PA district hold a fur auction- something we have none of around here-
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Post by scott kimball on Feb 15, 2008 20:49:04 GMT -6
this is just my insight as i have seen it over the years.the local buyers will screw all the inexperienced and young trappers.( most of us have wore those sneakers at one time or other.)
the clubs that bring the buyers in. you can still see the games played at this level. for instance ( the buyer that was buying foxes @ $25 gets up and gos' to get eats or uses the bathroom all of a sudden all foxes turn to $18 foxes.
i shipped NAFA for the first time in my trapping career as i am getting sick and tired of all the games played by.most buyers.
there is no consistancies when buyers, buy fur.no matter who they are buying fur from (if you buy a 32" greasy coon from a 10 year old boy or a professional trapper. it should be a even price.a $10 coon is a $10 coon no matter who sells it.)
just my 2 cents scott
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Post by trappnman on Feb 15, 2008 21:01:27 GMT -6
Thank God I live in an area where that is not the norm. Buyers here I think are consistent- and judge the fur not the seller. Maybe thats why I find other practices so distasteful- MN nice and all that.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 15, 2008 21:42:23 GMT -6
bull- if groeny quit, other buyers would reappear to take his place-
I dont think so steve.
And the reason is...
I dont think that anyone can put up the volume of fur they do with their system.
Its getting near impossible for buyers to find enough help to put up their fur.
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Post by lumberjack on Feb 16, 2008 6:20:12 GMT -6
Yes, we do have fur sales, ive been to them many moons ago. From what I hear you can be the 1st one there and be number 60 in line, plus it is about a 60 mile drive one way for any district sale nearest me. You think Gronys bad,Im told once these buyers get their quota the prices get slashed big time. My friend left at midnight, was the 4th one there and was number 40 through the door.
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Post by billmeyerhoff on Feb 16, 2008 7:15:21 GMT -6
You think Gronys bad,Im told once these buyers get their quota the prices get slashed big time. My friend left at midnight, was the 4th one there and was number 40 through the door. Once a buyers order is filled any additional fur purchased is speculative. He needs to assess the profit to risk ratio and make sure that he doesn't loose money when he finds a market. That's a fairly common complaint and one that is often heard by active association members that hold auctions. Probably the only fair way to determine selling order is a lottery system drawing numbers from a hat of sellers who have sent in their names by a deadline, with sellers who don't meet that deadline being in order received. Nobody want to be first or last most of the time.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 16, 2008 8:01:56 GMT -6
Beav this wasn't coons taken from WI so they where snared with other methods and as fas as 2 coyote NOPE, he had 20+ total. They where just sold in that area of WI at that time and and for green coons and coyotes that is good money no matter where you go, the averages speak for themselves.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 16, 2008 8:09:21 GMT -6
yes, groenys action do indeed speak for themsleves.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 16, 2008 8:28:26 GMT -6
Beav what was your put cost to these guys on 25.00 after commision? Then did they really have a 25.00 average, after your putup cost?
Sure the 40 is high lot but it is the average per coon green 25.25! I find that to be a good average who wouldn't?
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Post by 17HMR on Feb 16, 2008 8:52:43 GMT -6
Yup, thats a hell of a good green avg, but he may be the one guy he gives it too, to call in the rest for a $14 avg next time.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 16, 2008 9:03:40 GMT -6
on the other site in past week- there have been many reports from groeny on coon- and FINISHED averages from coon in same region aren't that.
someones trying to skin someone here!
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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 16, 2008 9:19:06 GMT -6
Groney knows what he's going to pay you for your fur before you even get It out of the truck and that's a fact. So much for you getting what your fur Is worth. How do you think these route men get paid? Maybe a commision Like I said Jesse James used a gun and there was no doubt you were getting robbed. LOl
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 16, 2008 9:33:50 GMT -6
Tman I will have him get me the slip and then I will scan it on here if you think I'm lying? He is not a liar! I stated what he received for the furs sold on Thursday night, those are the facts, I don't know what others made, no skinning.
Beav BS man, he couldn't have known what he was going to pay before as this wasn't WI fur!
How would he know? He didn't have dark WI coyotes and the prices prooved that! Quailty fur can/will bring a premium! He did state another guy didn't get what he did on a few coyotes he sold as they where typical WI coyotes, he didn't try to buy quailty at WI rates! Paid for the better fur!
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Post by trappnman on Feb 16, 2008 9:40:20 GMT -6
if you don't understand, I'm tired of explaining- - if I was you, I'd send everything to groeny. You'd be a fool not to with those kind of averages. Heck, I'm surprised the auctions are even open.....
Groeny paying $25 average on green coon is a joke- and I don't care who the punchline is on- its not even freaking close to his norm- its a top lot... something to draw in the rubes.
must be long distance call if it reached all the way to the Dakotas....
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 16, 2008 9:46:46 GMT -6
Tman whatever and yes I will sel fur to them in the future at those prices beats shipping or taking a beating from the other! If I can get the slip it will be posted on here facts are facts even though you choose not to beleive them!
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