groenwold ain't so bad

[trappincoyotes39]

I talked to a trapper that sold some coyotes and coon in WI and had 4 coon at 40.00 ea green! His average on 23 was 25.25 and many where snared coons.
He sold coyotes for a high of 40.00 also and the average was almost 30.00 for green coyotes and 2 on the carcass. These where some nice white belly coyotes.

The buyer said, their Iowa coon buying was about 1/3 rd of what they normally buy this year due to weather and gas prices. He did far better than what our local buyer pays.

[thebeav2]

Big deal I put up fur for some WI guys and they averaged $28.00 and $25.00 after commission at NAFA Groney Is no big deal.
And I find It very hard to believe this person snared many coon this year since the cable restraint season didn't start until Jan 1st and we have had a major winter this year. And with WI CR regs It's very hard to snare coon with any consistency. Unless of coarse this person wasn't following the rules.
but as you can see Groney Is still pulling his pie In the sky tactics some $40.00 coon, than It's down hill from there but that's all the rube can remember Is the $40.00 top
Groney still sucks In my opinion.
And when WI coyotes grade better then western stuff I'll be a millionaire

[trappnman]

groeny is a joke.

he screws the next guy, and passes the savings on to you.

been there, done that.....

as far as his $40 coyotes- bring in more than 2 and tell me what he pays....

2 years ago- he was "paying $50 foro n te carcass yotes"... oddly, the same people that got that price, didn't want ot buy my put up ones for $30- jeepers, wonder wy not- money ot be made at $50 carcauss prioce..

maybe that $50 was a shill offer- like the $40 coon and the $40 green coyotes...

[bobwendt]

if he offers me that kind of money I`ll take it and say thank you. and I bet the wisc guy said thank you also. I really don`t understand the anger here. obviously must be some behind the scenes deal between groany and you two that I`m not aware of. seems he buys a lot of fur from a lot of guys and most everyone satisfied or they wouldn`t sell the fur to him every year after year after year. I`ve sold to him before and he treated me decent. If I sell to him and he doesn`t then it`s my fault I accepted an offer I wasn`t satisfied with. if you ( or me) can get a better deal else where, then get it. if he can get a better deal elsewhere, then he goes there. pretty simple to me. plus markets change. you can`t compare last falls coon prices to todays, or a fall price with a may auction. apples and oranges.

[trappnman]

perhaps you need to live where groeny makes regular pickups and see his buying techniques in action more than a time or two.

What do I dislike? inflated, cherrypicker prices- then downgrading the rest of the fur. Good business practice? sure- but "honest"? thats up to you.

taking medium coon, and calling them worthless, offering to throw them away, then places then in the truck with everything else. Good business? thats for you to judge>

treating a few like Gods, then dumping on the inexperienced and new trappers esp younger folk.

Good smart business? up to you..

for me- I wouldn't sell them a roadkilled possum, and yes, I'll tell them to their face exactly what I think of them, as I did when the old man got in my face and demanded to know why I didn't like his practices.

Well, I told him- and his face turned red and he commented "we don't do business like that'

Really?

bullsiht.

been there, seen it more than once-

[garman]

I will be honest always felt good after selling fox and yotes to Mike that works for Groeny, I also have sold some fox to Cumberlands this year and felt very good about the experience. I have walked away at times feeling not so comfortable selling coon or mink to Groeny. But Guess what I still sold them, my fault and yes I have witnessed the tactics firsthand. Just do not sell is what I say, and it is up to trappers to learn more about there fur. In regards to young kids no that is not right and yes it does happen! The reason I sell fox and yotes to them instead of auction never seen a decent and consistent sale on OUR fox and yotes at the auctions, that I feel comfortable with. I will always sell coon on the auction for sure though.

[bankrunner]

Or how about when trappers/hunters drop the tailgate and have 100+ pelts unthawed? Can't you just hear "CHA-CHING" coming from them.

Took some put up fur(30 or so coon) to him when the market was on the rise and was offered $17.00. Told him no sale, that I could do better. Got accused of cherrypicking, I told him I had more coon and then he started to re-grade. No thanks, shipped to NAFA.

Problem is most people do not know their fur. Sad part is they pay $30-$40 green and I had 1@$30. Half of mine were 3x, 1/4 were 4x, and 1/4 were 2x.

Didn't have any $1 ones Beav.

[Zagman]

Steve, will you buyer pay everyone that walks in his shop the same for green coon that he pays to you? My sense is you will say yes, but how would you ever know?

I know some guys pay me more for MY coyotes than the same coyote being brought in by a stranger.......just the way things work. In fairness, though, its also due to the way they know I put them up............but its also because they know me.

Fair or not, it's reality.

MZ

[trappnman]

Steve, will you buyer pay everyone that walks in his shop the same for green coon that he pays to you? My sense is you will say yes, but how would you ever know?

yes- how do I know? I see the slips....

and secondly- I've often sent people there that had a few coon- real good coon- and they get HIGHER averages than me.


now- do I probably get more on my coyotes- sure- but like you- they are done right. Few around here seem to either know how, or want to- do them right.

[garman]

Cherry picking, heard that one before LOL

[bobwendt]

you`re probably safe from him wanting to buy the road kill possum from you know.

[BrandonH]

Bottomline on this stuff is that nobody is forced to sell fur anywhere. There are lots of options out there whether it be local auction, Canada, country buyers, etc. If you don't like a price offered, don't sell. I have no sympathy for the guys with those 100+ pelts unthawed in the back of the truck. They should know that they are at a disadvantage when it comes to bargaining.

[trappnman]

we talk and talk and talk about ethics- but apparently ethics only apply in certain situations.

When I go to sell fur- I go KNOWING I won't be screwed.

But I see I'm shooting for the stars here...

we talk and talk and talk about getting young trappers, new trappers in the game- and at the same time "screw em, seller beware"

and I'll be damned if I will sell to them, nor keep quiet to those telling me how wonderful it is selling to someone where you dasn't bend over nor turn around....

there are enough HONEST buyers out there- its MY goal to differentiate between them....

[thebeav2]

The problem lies In In most cases there Is no one else to sell to. You can talk all you want about well If your not satisfied sell to some one else. But that's not the case In most areas. In fact Groney has bought out more then one country buyer just so he can remove any competition.
I have witnessed more then one of his "highway men" use the old wool pulling stunt. They would get a good hold on that under fur and give a good pull. And you guessed It "here's a slipper" Well In most cases that coon Is going to be placed In the bandit wagon and will be just another free bee.
Ya he has his TOWN CRIERS the ones he give a little break too for getting the word out. The next 10 guys are the ones that take It In the shorts. Good business maybe but at least Jesse James used a gun LOL

[bobwendt]

like I said, must be something here going on that I`m not aware of. I can only see what my eyes see.

[thebeav2]

Well Bob when your the only game In town what you going to do.
I'll tell you sometime about my Groney experience.
I only get screwed once and that's It.
It's kind of like you and the NTA. You ever going to re join? Well I'm never going to sell to Groney and I'm going to tell It like it Is ,just like you tell It like It Is about NTA I really don't see any difference. They are both screwing the trapper.

[thebeav2]

Brandon I guess you don't comprehend the written word.

[BrandonH]

Heck Gary... You're Mr. NAFA LOL.. Funny how you keep talking about "no one else to sell to." Anyone can send their furs to NAFA or FHA agents using good 'ol USPS.... Find me a place where there is no Post Office and then maybe I'll buy your only "only game in town" theory. There are even state association sales where you can send your fur (with a reserve, too) to sell.

[thebeav2]

Now brandon you and I both know that probably 80% of all trappers don't put up their fur And It's really hard to sell at state sales that way and It's even harder to ship to Nafa. Not that they won't except green frozen fur but It would really be expensive to do so. UpS and regular mail won't except the bags so you have to box It up and It's not so much the weight but size that costs.
So Like I said before the AVERAGE trapper Is pretty well stymied with only one out let for there fur.
The average trapper In SC toss the fur In the ditch because there's NO fur sales and no fur buyers and most haven't a clue as how to put up fur. Their only out let Is the live market.
And I sell to NAFA because I have no other outlet Well maybe If I drive 100 miles one way I will have a few more options. But NAFA has all way's treated me OK.

[BrandonH]

Now brandon you and I both know that probably 80% of all trappers don't put up their fur
There in lies the problem, Gary....... Who's fault is it that? Are you gonna blame Groeny? LOL $25 for a fleshing beam, $15 for a cheap fleshing knife, $10 for a fur handling book, and say $50 for an assortmant of stretchers. A hundred bucks and you're on your way to putting up your own fur! If the average trapper can afford to trap at $3.50 a gallon for gas, he can afford a franklin for fur handling equipment. And if he's too lazy to do it, he deserves what he gets from the buyer....