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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 22, 2007 23:18:53 GMT -6
Is it a cross fox or a silver? I have never heard of one of these being caught in Nevada before. Out in the middle of the sagebrush 100's of miles from where he is supposed to be. Caught him in a 1.75 using red fox urine, must have smelled it clear to Oregon and came a runnin'    Some other stuff, was a good day on the line!!  Ran into a chukar hunter to take a pic    Big ole possum (at least as close as we get to possums) I'm starting to wonder what's going on around here, I caught a coon 2 days ago and a fox today next thing it'll be possums I guess.  Joel |
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Post by mr. finch on Dec 22, 2007 23:22:44 GMT -6
i am pretty sure its a cross fox but i could be wrong
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Post by Stef on Dec 22, 2007 23:28:33 GMT -6
cross fox 100% sure
have 2 here same as your tanned..will take pics tomorrow
Good night
Stef
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Post by JWarren on Dec 22, 2007 23:43:31 GMT -6
How often do you get normal reds? I would take that fox to a taxidermist.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 22, 2007 23:51:42 GMT -6
I've never caught a red in Nevada, Scott Byrd caught one about 100 miles North of this one 5 years ago and that's the only one I know about for about 200-300 miles.
There are some in the High Sierras but they are 100 miles from here as well.
Joel
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Post by JWarren on Dec 22, 2007 23:53:39 GMT -6
'ell of a catch, hard to believe your first red would be a cross like that
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 22, 2007 23:57:44 GMT -6
Are they rare?
Joel
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Post by JWarren on Dec 23, 2007 0:05:01 GMT -6
I think Bob said he caught some in WY but don't remember for sure, seen alot of pictures of them from AK and up north, I would say the odds of catching one like that when you don't even have normals is pretty low, maybe you should've hit the slots on the way home lol
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Post by renny1 on Dec 23, 2007 1:56:54 GMT -6
Yup, cross fox. lools like a standard. A few days ago a pic of a pearl fox caught in California was posted on "another forum". But they don't believe it is a ranch fox. They all want to believe they caught the black fox pelt Robert Service wrote about. I would think the chances of that being a wild fox are beyond remote, but it is still a good catch, I dont want to take that away from you. I say good for you. People are always trying to introduce exotic species where they historically never were. Every once in a while some one will catch a Piranaha around here (South Dakota).
I've seen lots of fox in traps, and lots of pictures of fox in traps, but I don't think I have ever seen a fox in a trap that wasn't stretched out as far as possible at the back of the trap circle. This one just stands there between the trap and you. The cats in your pics are all stretched out and pulling hard. Thanks for the pics.
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Post by musher on Dec 23, 2007 5:27:30 GMT -6
Cross fox.
They used to be worth a few hundred bucks back in THE day. Then they were worth less than a red for a while. the last few years they have been worth a little more.
Yours seems like a nice one. Take a look at the back and you should see a"cross" pattern.
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Post by jim on Dec 23, 2007 5:37:58 GMT -6
Took this picture in the Yukon when we drove to Alaska a few years ago. Jim  |
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Post by bobwendt on Dec 23, 2007 7:13:14 GMT -6
that`s a standard wild western cross fox. we get about 10% in wyoming, sometimes whole litters, usually not as dark as that joel caught. eastern crosses are termed bastards and usually just a sprinkling of black hairs and a black belly. silvers are interesting. it`s a simple recessive and if crossed onto a straight red usually phenotypically shows about a 95% red coloration with a little black. most westerns are that way too, with a few darker like yours joel. one way to see it`s bonafide wild is it has crap fur- relative to REAL ranch fox, that have dinner plate tails. anyway, since silver is recessive, if one breeds silver to silver 100% silver pups, right? right. except there is a fly in the ointment. wild silvers exist in easten areas but rare. same in western areas. but guess what? the recessive fluke gene is not the same in the east as the west, i.e. on a different place in the dna strand. so you breed a wild 100% silver western fox to a wild 100% silver eastern fox and lo and behold, the pups come out true crosses- 50% red and 50% black- very similar to yours joel, phenotypically, but even darker yet. the dividing line is somewhere mid u.s. and not firm or fast. and that`s the scoop on silvers, bastards and crosses. your w.s, is doing a good job on coyotes joel, and if they keep up, look to start catching more reds.
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Post by billcat on Dec 23, 2007 9:05:02 GMT -6
Joel,
I've caught two reds over this way in the past couple of years and have heard of others. Yours is much the prettier critter. Get it done up for a wallhanger. Be careful skinning, they're thin skinned like a kit fox.
Bill
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Post by bblwi on Dec 23, 2007 9:34:00 GMT -6
What's going on out here? Joel, maybe it's climate change!!! God forbid. LOL. Cross fox as mention before. Cross fox are just a color phase of reds so there are some recessive color genes in your population which is rare but not uncommon.
How much territory does your 4-wheeler allow you to trap in a day? I have lots of farm land I don't trap as much as I could and a 4-wheeler would get me there but it is for $5-$25 fur and not those kinds of cats.
Bryce
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Post by livefreeordie on Dec 23, 2007 9:47:03 GMT -6
Nice one Joel..  Get it tanned, I had this one tanned and he sits over on the wifes bedside table, she has him curled up like he is sleeping... ;D  |
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Post by Stef on Dec 23, 2007 10:30:01 GMT -6
Here's a pic showing a cross fox on the left. A little more darker then yours. Musher is right about the prices we got the last few years.  Joel, your fox was a big male? Stef |
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Post by Stef on Dec 23, 2007 10:33:16 GMT -6
close up  |
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Post by maddog on Dec 23, 2007 11:06:38 GMT -6
Cross fox, when you skin it you should be able to see the cross by the shoulder skin side.
Nice pics fellas.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 23, 2007 11:20:35 GMT -6
Stef he was a male, I assume big but the only other red fox I've ever caught was in Alaska so I don't have much experience to judge his size.
Bryce, I've had lines where I drove the 4 wheeler all day long. Now I just jump it in and out of the truck like a horse. I don't check many traps out of the truck any more.
Renny this one hadn't even dallied the drag up yet so he couldn't pull the chain tight. I was circling around getting pics and wanted pics that showed him broadside and with the white tail tip.
I hope we get more of these things, the country I caught him in has the coyotes shot out due to being sheep range.
I really like country where the coyotes are shot out, there is more of everything else.
Bobcats, deer, antelope, birds, and now fox.
The country is just better off with less coyotes. I wish they were worth $100, everybody would benefit if we killed more.
Joel
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Post by musher on Dec 23, 2007 13:46:26 GMT -6
Bob: I believe that a bastard fox is something different. A bastard appears to be a pale cross fox but they have a red stripe down the center of their back as opposed to a black stripe. The snout is not solid black but is a mixture of red and black.
Also the underfur of the bastard fox has reddish tips.
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