Any of you guys get a call from a London Lady?

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

Apparently there is some gal calling all the trapper Presidents and NTA etc. about some documentary they are going to put out on BBC or some such about the fur industry.

I told her she had 5 minutes this morning and she gave me an earful for 5 minutes. Told her to call back this afternoon and never heard from her.

She sounded real nice and sincere this morning.

Anyway I called Jim Curran this afternoon to ask what he or the NTA knew about it. He didn't seem to think they were up to much good.

I'd be interested in hearing if any of you guys have talked to this gal and how the conversation went?

Joel

[akona20]

PM me what details you have and I will get the folks in England to check it out.

[kevinupp]

From the Pres of the NTA


Fellow Trappers,

I wanted to pass along some information. Recently many different trapping organizations have been contacted via email by RDF Media from the United Kingdom. They are claiming they wish to produce a program on the history of trapping and the fur trade. It seems that each time there is a communication it is signed by a different individual. A few weeks ago I had received this information form the Michigan Trappers and then asked (via email) the person from RDF for more details and did not receive a reply. This morning I finally received a reply and a phone call from the Producer of this proposed project. I'm more comfortable at this time but still caution that anyone who chooses to get involved and allow a camera crew to accompany them on the trap line, that there could be serious repercussions. Consider the possibility of a nontarget animal or a raccoon or skunk caught that may self-mutilate (chew). This could be the ultimate conclusion to a long hard battle.... trappers, willingly participating and allowing the camreas to record these unfortunate problems. Use the utmost caution....should you decide to get involved. I have offered to mail copies of the videos that NTA has been involved with. I feel these will speak a more controlled message, removing the potential for negative publicity and represent our interests most appropriately. Should anyone have information and proof that there are no underlying motives please feel free to contact me. Should you decide to allow them to accompany you on the line please notify us.


Thanks,
Kraig

[bobwendt]

wait a daggone minute, in the past the nta asked trappers to send video footage of not only trapping but slaughterhouses and other animal uses to the felon embezzler ex v.p. of hsus who they paid near a million bucks to him and his chronies to be in their employ, who is now gone with all that footage. kind of like will the real dummy please stand up? nta no ,longer speaks for me nor warns me nor even is of merit to post on any trappers board imo and I respectfully ask the site owner to remove any post by the nta president who was key involved in the past debacles and also in having 4 trapper members thrown out in favor of the anti and his inside men. of which I believe kraig katz was one of them since he masterminded the throw outs and the kepping of the anti and the loss of all the money. how frigging dumb can everyone be. joel, to you, common sense would dictate caution , but IMO any advice from the nta is not credible anymore now than it has been in the past. they`ve shown their colors clearly.

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

Bob I didn't put this up to be about the NTA. This is a current situation and I wanted it to get out to the trapping community.

I'd be fine if we kept the NTA out of the discussion on this forum if we can to respect your feelings about the NTA's past, which I certainly understand, and to a large extent agree with.

I for one think it would be prudent for trappers to avoid the temptation to go Hollywood and let these people film their activities.

This is something that is happening now and bears watching closely.

Akona the message from Kevinupp says way more than I know about this. First I heard of it was yesterday morning when she called me. Like I said I had 5 minutes with her.

Joel

[bobwendt]

joel, I didn`t bring the nta up. the president of the nta did, via kevinups post. as long as those guys are who they are still (nta) I will never shut up about the travesty they pulled on the nations trappers and the money given to the ex v.p. of hsus. it`s one thing to give it to other trappers even on scams, but to give it to an ex hsus v.p. convicted embezzler and his inside men will NEVER BE FORGIVABLE as long as the same folks are running the show ( they are), and will forever throw suspect on any word or deed the nta ever says. they should never ever be trusted again with a penny of any trappers money nor a word they say ever believed. however, I do agree with you on this lady calling. great reserve should be maintained as likely no good can come from it without very very careful input that can not be taken out of context or mis-construed in any way. the press the world wide rarely looks for storys, but rather to make storys where often there is no story. it`s their business to create interest where usually there is none.

[billmeyerhoff]

I would not recommend allowing yourself to be filmed without a contract. As one of the films stars you need to control the final edit on that portion of the film that you're in.

Run that by them and see how it plays.

[Bob Jameson]

That is some very good sound advice by billmeyerhoff with respects to a contract and to the editing rights of the footage/language being used if this becomes a reality at some point.That should be a given "must" in having the authorization of a sign off signature(s) with a contract of any kind and all must agree who will be seen or quoted.

If these individuals dont wish to sign such an agreement or contract I would simply refuse any further communication with the individuals.Their failure to agree would certainly send up the red flag.Typically these types of shows wish to retain all the rights of the video and sound track. So getting an agreement on such matters may be difficult at best. If in doubt, decline.

The language of the contract should be writtne by a pro trapping attorney like Tracy Truman possibly or someone that we know is going to present the appropriate language to protect the individual(s) as well as the best interests of trapping.

The other issue that may be a big problem is now this becomes a matter of international law I would believe. So even if an agreement is reached on paper what is going to prevent someone from knowingly breaching the deal. Then who is going to tackle such a legal battle across the pond so to speak.

These individuals most certainly know it would be a very costly venture at best to initiate such a law suit against them if they would breach their agreement.So if it is ever to be resolved legally the damage most certainly will already have been done by this point and at what cost.

[mustelameister]

I came home a couple days ago to a message on the trapper ed line from a gal with a British accent. Couldn't understand half of what she was saying and figured it was BS and deleted it.

[bobwendt]

bob j. you are reight, beings this isn`t just a u.s. deal then all kind of stuff is possible. even in the u.s. our system is set up for how much justice you can afford, or just not sensible at all, ( o.j., michail jackson ,etc). a lot of us have become wise beyond our years in video burns etc already. no need making it global

[frenchman]

I had a call here.

Talked to our Fur Council of Canada, they said hold off until they find more.

There is some deal going on, and we are to be extremely careful. We have folks here dealing with them, so I was told not to call back.

Media training 101: No interviews without knowing who and what purpose. (I just got 6 hours of that training last week!)

[FWS]

Katz's letter is poorly written and serves to condemn trappers with ill chosen hypothetical scenarios that suggest guilt and an expressed desire to present a 'controlled message'.

Think about this a bit and consider the effect 'memos' such as this have had on other issues/industries.

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

You know guys I don't care about Katz's letter. I would like to find out what is going on with this.

She called me this morning and woke my wife up so apparently it isn't going away.

I'm gone for a couple of days so we'll see what happens in the meantime.

Joel

[bobwendt]

good, then we agree!

[livefreeordie]

From what I have been seeing via google search, the BBC is in bed with Peta, Greenpeace, etc, I wouldn't agree to do ANYTHING for or with them, they won't protray things in the right perspective, DON"T TRUST THEM!!

[FWS]

he BBC is in bed with Peta, Greenpeace, etc,

That's more reflective of the fact that PETA, IFAW, RSPCA, HSUS/HSI, Greenpeace and like groups are active and effective in creating stories for media. It's their job, exposure translates to fundraising.

But I have seen pretty good segments and documentaries covering sustainable utilization issues done by the BBC and Channel 4 in the UK.

Better this were referred to the IAFWA fur resources guys and an overview of the BMP research and recommendations, case studies on furbearer management, furbearer recovery/reintroduction projects, etc..

IAFWA Furbearer Management Resources

[akona20]

Well Rdf are an interesting company in television production. Recently they released some footage of the queen with an error in chronology that made the queen look as though she had done something rather nasty.

In fact although they are a multi award winning compnay some of what they make is peurile rubbish. (Oh how can I say that when it is so popular in the UK.)

David frank is the big chief there who is difficult to get to even though they are not a large company by any means and since Steve Lambert got the boot after the queen's video faking I guess Grant Mansfield might be the person to talk to. Head of factual is Tayte Simpson although what passes as factual at RDF is perhaps reality television more than anything else.

Given their recent history I would tend not to trust them at all gievn their past performances on matters.

I'll do a check of directors and executives to see if they have any anti ties.

[akona20]

A quick update, in a Wife Swap episode RDF used a animal rights swap with a hunter. Hmmm

[HappyPlumber]

My Son is a hunter/trapper and was sent to the UK to manage a large company for a US manufacturer (unnamed). He's been there 4 months and I can tell you that there are only anti's in the UK. He was advised by many people to not discuss any such thing as trapping/hunting ect. As near as I know their fox hunting, which does not kill a fox, but merely chases them around on horseback, is in the process of being curtailed there right now by eliminating the areas where they can ride horses. Their country is very much different then ours and you can't even discuss those things over there. Their's is exstremism to the max in reference to trapping and or killing animals. Any information you give them can and will be used against us. I'd take my chances with a fully loaded skunk with an elevated tail first. HP

[archer109]

They are asking for non NTA members on one of North Dakota's websites. I told the people on the forum to check this thread out before doing so. The lady gives her email address and asks for non NTA members.