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Post by trappnman on Jul 24, 2021 19:00:03 GMT -6
.......to start a thread or add too one. Be nice to have some serious conversations without all the nonsense
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Post by flathead40 on Jul 24, 2021 19:17:15 GMT -6
Amen
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 19:56:30 GMT -6
Well I’ve always been outspoken when I relate my experiences because I have always tried to be very objective with those opinions that come from my observations. The big difference today with my opinions is the testing and observations made under the cameras. Spending good $$ for urine or gland lure and see coyotes either be repealed or avoid it has made me very critical and suspicious of all lure, baits, and urine.
I do enjoy discussions as anyone can see by my posts but my personality on forums comes to the forefront when someone tells me I didn’t see what I saw.LOL. Not that I don’t make assumptions but I realize what an assumption is! I was very careful when publishing my videos on Youtube because I never told the viewer what they were seeing happen in the clip. I gave no opinion that way there was no controversy or argument about what was being seen.
I’ve always enjoyed discussions on this board above all others and I never walked away from this board because I got pissed in a discussion.
A trapping friend told me a year or so ago that he didn’t agree with everything I said but he said that I certainly believed what I was saying. He was exctly right, I never bs in a discussion because that’s be lying and I’m no liar!
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Post by claybird on Jul 24, 2021 20:03:26 GMT -6
Bob Wendt and Robert Waddell both say bait and quality pee for coyotes. No lure.
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Post by claybird on Jul 24, 2021 20:14:35 GMT -6
And Bob Wendt also says coyote gland lure spooks coyotes, and red fox gland lure attracts red fox. I know for a fact he’s dead on for red fox. I don’t have many coyotes in my area but my red fox gland lure seems attractive to coyotes as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 20:20:50 GMT -6
I certainly will never disagree with BW. Stef Forget had a coyote gland that the coyote were/are very attracted to it but I don’t think you can get it anymore since he sold out. Stef’s red fox gland will make coyotes roll like crazy. My comments have come of observations under camera.
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Post by flathead40 on Jul 24, 2021 21:31:27 GMT -6
So what conclusion, if any, do you draw from that claybird?
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Post by flathead40 on Jul 24, 2021 21:46:37 GMT -6
So what conclusion, if any, do you draw from that claybird?
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Post by claybird on Jul 25, 2021 4:33:24 GMT -6
Not sure. But I catch a lot of red fox with my home made red fox gland lure. It just has fox anal glands and quality pee, no filler like 4 inches of intestine material, etc. Probably one conclusion is coyotes hate red fox, they are attracted to them and want to kill them, but I really don’t know. I don’t catch enough coyotes a year to really know. (15-20 a year vs 100 plus red fox ) I do know I get 5 or 6 fox every year destroyed by coyotes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 6:03:31 GMT -6
And Bob Wendt also says coyote gland lure spooks coyotes, and red fox gland lure attracts red fox. I know for a fact he’s dead on for red fox. I don’t have many coyotes in my area but my red fox gland lure seems attractive to coyotes as well. LOL! I have to take back what zi said about BW. LOL. I have numerous videos showing coyote fearing coyote gland lure and other videos showing coyote readily approaching and pissing on coyote gland lure. There is a coyote gland lure named after me because of the testing I did for the person last year and coyote waltz into the set completely unalarmed. Watching the body posture and body language it’s obvious not a single coyote was the least bi leary of the lure. I did testing on a very well known western trapper’s gland lure and the coyotes that approached the test would stretch their necks out and bolt!!! They did the very same thing with his urine. Some of his lures andbaits I have great success with. Actually, it was because I couldn’t catch crap with sets where I used his galnd lure is what got me into testing gland lures a year ago. An eye opening experience! I found a coyote gland lure that the coyote just plain ignored but cats couldn’t get enough of rolling on it. Even had a pair of cats take turns rubbing and rolling and fighting to get at it. LOL |
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2021 7:39:05 GMT -6
I haven't used a bottle of lure thats classified as a gland lure for years although I acknowledge, many "non" gland lures contain glands. The season I quit using them is simple-
I'm not a believer in scent station testing. I believe a more accurate method is to use the lure in side by side sets, over at least a season or preferably 2. Testing individual lures vs individual lures side by side, over time. And combos of lures vs individual. My conclusions were clear to me- almost any combo was better over time, than singleton lures. And that adding bait to lures, was even better. And then adding a gopher to the sets- proved the most successful in side by side tests.
Time after time, season after season I found the best combo, was a sweet and sour effect so to speak. Sour as in skunk. sweet as in minkish or cat type lures. The way we test a lure, is in setting a line- lori would use that lure, I would use others. Next day, we would reverse that (to eliminate technique).
On fox- 30 years ago, I'd catch 10 or so fox to my coyotes- so about 1 to 10 ratio to coyotes. And non were were disturbed in trap. By "best" fox farms, were also my best coyote farms.
15 or so years ago, for a few years, my fox catch was in the mid 30s- about a 1 in 3 ratio. and I'd get a few ripped apart each year. Again, my best fox farms, were also my best coyote farms.
About 10 years ago, the fox starting dropping off to mid teens- so about a 1 in 6 ratio- and haven't had a fox molested in years. Again best for one best for the other.
I do know that catching a coyote in a set, means nothing as to if I catch a fox there or visa versa. I had one trap a few years ago, where I caught 4 fox and 3 coyotes over 10 days and it was like fox today, coyote tomorrow, etc
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 7:41:57 GMT -6
This year's testing was on how I could learn to use grubstakes properly and what scents to use with them. I'm posting this link because it pretains to claybirds replies. To the left side of the screen is a grubstake with one of my top paste baits and on the right side is Stef Forget's red fox gland lure on a grubstake. I pretty much followed the principles described in Major Boddicker's book Crirt'r Gettin. The interpetation is yours. youtu.be/1QaV2TRL3aE |
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2021 8:06:11 GMT -6
I guess I'm not sure what Im seeing- how far apart are the scents?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 8:10:10 GMT -6
A very short video clip showing a pair of coyotes and Step Forget's Coyote Gland lure placed on a small chip of rotted stump. This particular gland lure did not scare them like other gland lures I tested. All gland lures are not created equal by any stretch of the imagination! youtu.be/yu3CLsKkR_o |
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2021 8:10:51 GMT -6
Stef made good lures for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 8:23:33 GMT -6
I guess I'm not sure what Im seeing- how far apart are the scents? Maybe 8'?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 8:26:04 GMT -6
I guess I'm not sure what Im seeing- how far apart are the scents? There are 2 grubstakes, 1 has gland lure on it to the right and the 2nd grubstake is to the left with one of my top producing paste baits |
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Post by claybird on Jul 25, 2021 12:14:23 GMT -6
I only posted what Bob Wendt said about coyote gland lures and coyotes because of his experience catching thousands and thousands of coyotes. I don’t think cameras showing SOME coyotes working a coyote gland lure compares to what his experience has shown him the last 30 plus years. Not trying to stir up trouble, but I’d rather go by what somebody of his caliber and experience show after thousands of coyotes to his credit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 12:40:16 GMT -6
I only posted what Bob Wendt said about coyote gland lures and coyotes because of his experience catching thousands and thousands of coyotes. I don’t think cameras showing SOME coyotes working a coyote gland lure compares to what his experience has shown him the last 30 plus years. Not trying to stir up trouble, but I’d rather go by what somebody of his caliber and experience show after thousands of coyotes to his credit. I don't think you're stirring up trouble Claybird, I was only showing that there are exceptions to every rule. I would hope you found the foot movement of the coyotes at the gland interesting. I would also explain to those who don't know me that I'm not enamored or indentured to "those who say it to the greatest magnitude" and nor do I point the dirty-finger at anyone. If my observations correspond with their's, well that's super, but if my observations/experiences after trapping for 66 years show me differently where I trap, I don't think I'm missing anything following my path and they follow their's. Steve started this thread - "FEEL FREE" that means a lot- feel free! |
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Post by claybird on Jul 25, 2021 12:59:30 GMT -6
Thanks. That was very interesting. I’ve read almost every book out there on canine trapping, Bob is the only guy out there that I ever found
who says coyotes in general are spooked of coyote gland lure. Even Craig Ogorman says coyotes are more interested in red fox gland lure than coyote gland lure. I look at it this way, I read everything out there, including these forums, I learn from all these sources. I take bits and pieces and find out what works best for me, and I use it. I appreciate all this information.
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