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Post by northof50 on Apr 14, 2019 8:39:28 GMT -6
Our, have you used any Belisle foot snares, if so what do you think of them ?
Are there any commercial fishing around you ? your coyotes may move to eat the culls on the ice, then move off after the season or quota is meet. happens here 25 miles is not far for them to travel. They will be thin with no fat to scrape off.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 15, 2019 6:24:56 GMT -6
they go up on bales for 2 reasons I nelieve- 1 is the vantage point.... coyotes will use any high place to give them more of a visual. 2ndly, I beleive they go on top of bales a lot i nwinter, becasue they are warmer, esp the wrapped bales.
A word of warning- if you set up right next to the bale, they (a coyote) will destroy a good portion of that side of the bale. Make sure farmer is aware.
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Post by oursnorb on Apr 15, 2019 12:56:19 GMT -6
I have some "scratch traps" Belisle butI don't use them, maybe the next year for the winter trapping, with a small piece of liver on trigger He don't have a lot of commercial fishing here.
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Post by northof50 on Apr 15, 2019 15:00:36 GMT -6
If they are lamb producers, everyone lost is 200$, so a 20$ bale is no bigeeeee. So your scratch traps are the foot hold snares.....be interesting if they throw the snare on their face.
Your eastern coyotes are quite heavy are they not ? pounds or kilo's?
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Post by oursnorb on Apr 15, 2019 20:42:54 GMT -6
The bigger I haved catch:65 pounds, normaly, one big:50 pounds, average:40 pounds
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Post by northof50 on Apr 16, 2019 5:56:52 GMT -6
That's a whole lot of moose in those coyotes weights. and maybe a little wolf blood.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 16, 2019 6:56:54 GMT -6
I think you are vastly over estimating the value of moose gut piles to concentrate coyotes. A couple of coyotes are going to lean that up overnight or close to it- and then they move on.
I wonder if we are going a couple of different directions- if the goal is to catch a few coyotes in timber, then I'm sure the old moose gut piles are a source of at least random interest, and traps set will eventually see coyotes.
but if numbers of any sort are wanted, you need to give them a reason to concentrate- or at least something that would be a focal point for any coyotes coming through to change up the, for all practical purpses, random approach to woods insofar as travel, etc.
Big timber just isn't coyote country. If I lived up north, I'd have concentrated on something besides coyotes thats for sure.
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Post by flathead40 on Apr 16, 2019 19:27:39 GMT -6
Hard to figure out what type of habitat your dealing with. Your talking about fields and hay. Then big timber. I'm assuming your in a Canadian province somewhere, but that's a pretty big place from what I've seen of it. If there is hay, I'd assume livestock of some sort? How about other crops? Pick up truck with 4x4 or dogsled and snowmobile?
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Post by oursnorb on Apr 17, 2019 6:07:21 GMT -6
I trap both, big timber area far in the mountains(where is my camp)and fields and farms(around my house).Many fields of hay, some corn,oat,barley. No many livestock in fields, farmers keep them inside. I trap with 4x4 and ATV early in season, after with snowmobile.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 17, 2019 6:22:39 GMT -6
what do they do with dead livestock in your country?
How do they treat manure? Liquid, or solid?
Do they have hay stacks or bale areas?
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Post by oursnorb on Apr 19, 2019 14:54:51 GMT -6
The manure pile in fields are more seldom seen,more liquid now. The dead livestock are sometime in pile in brush but not often. We have a bale area or hay stack often near of building.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 20, 2019 6:33:35 GMT -6
that liquid manure sucks- one big obstacle is the lay the pipe for miles, so it becomes a barrier.
the old dead piles are getting rarer here too- but I still have a few. Much more common, are compost piles where the dead animal is covered in manure or dirt. If yo uhave either, try to get permissions to set them up. Farmers are shy to tell you what they do with dead , so ask carefully-
farmers here will pile manure in back fields, then use it in fall- the old scaped areas make good set up points as well
hay areas are good spots, esp established stacking areas, where you often have in the back old bales that have grown in so to speak
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Post by flathead40 on Apr 20, 2019 8:30:01 GMT -6
This is like a puzzle with tiny,frustrating pieces. What kind of livestock? You say mostly liquid manure, most animals inside..... doesn't sound like much for pastures....so I guess pigs? Have you asked them where they put the dead livestock? (pigs?)
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Post by trappnman on Apr 21, 2019 6:32:20 GMT -6
Thinking about thisa- it seems to me you are in an area where coyotes might not be over abundant. If thats the case, then if me I'd go about it in a different way- meaning it becomes a fun thing, rather than an endurance marathon.
I'd mess around in the timber, and expect long wait times and I'd set accordingly.
but if you do have a fair whack (one of my Canadian expressions lol) of coyotes, then, to my opinion, you need ot change your mindset on how you approach them.
and the key, is you need to be where they are
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Post by oursnorb on Apr 23, 2019 20:48:25 GMT -6
Yes, some spots spots are good(I haved catch 12 coyotes in 1 farms and more at few miles both sides). But some spots are bad and each years are different, maybe the coyote here are more sensible to trapping pressure? A good farm can produce 5 coyotes in average an good year.
We have pigs,cows,beefs,sheeps,poultry farms.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2019 6:41:04 GMT -6
I've often thought, that the difference in a farm being good one year and bad the next, is simply whether a female has raised a good litter of pups. This would be the "average" farm. An above average farm, would have attractions that would mitigate any random occurrance (size of litter, etc). Sometimes land use changes causes things to change as well. I don't know why some location isn't good on a particular year...but I do know every year there wil lbe locations that surprize you good, and locations that let yo udown. I have a location, one of my very 1st- where I've trapped it for almost 35 years. Every year but 3, I've taken 5-10 coyotes. Last year 7. The 3 times I didn't take that many, I took 1 or 2. This past year, I took 1- a big old male- and with snow regular, his rtacks were the only set of tracks I saw over a 2 week period. Yet another, a location I typically get 2- I caught 5 including 2 doubles- and all, in my opinion, adult males. Why? Wish I knew. Unless you are on a ADC year round program, trapping pressure isn't going to matter at all. Harrasment pressure throughout the year will change patterns, for sure. All those farms will, given appropiate habitat, be attractions for coyotes. Any comost piles, any manure piles, any silage piles, and quanity of hay bales, will be attractions. Do not be afraid to set close to the buildings,and pens- I do it all the time. Heres a thread from last fall, that mighht give yo usome ideas on locations. coyotesrus.proboards.com/thread/29443/best-laid-plans-mice-men?page=2
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Post by musher on Apr 25, 2019 10:49:25 GMT -6
but if you do have a fair whack (one of my Canadian expressions lol) of coyotes Well done! But oursnorb might not be familiar with English Canadian expressions. He might better understand "si tu as du coyote en hosti" which translates to "if you have a holy communion of coyotes." Coyotes "R" Us: Helping trappers in both of the official languages of Canada.
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Post by flathead40 on Apr 25, 2019 14:13:45 GMT -6
Is he in Ontario?
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Post by northof50 on Apr 25, 2019 16:16:22 GMT -6
No Prov of Quebec; what you have done is got us thinking of different situations with this animal we call the " coyote " and how across the country things can be vastly different. Musher are you keeping your boots dry ? How's the flooding your way ? Our old family farm south of Winnipeg is under 10 feet of water for the next 3 weeks....no food for coyotes there this summer or next fall
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Post by musher on Apr 25, 2019 17:25:05 GMT -6
N50: Feet are dry and the river is flowing good. With a couple of feet of snow still in the bush all there is to do is watch the ice go by. We saw a wall of a building go by yesterday! Saw a plastic garbage bin on a piece of ice earlier. There are not many houses north of us so someone is having a bad time. It could be a native hunting camp.
I have been seeing smallish wolf tracks along with the jumbo regulars the past 2 weeks. Methinks a large coywolf mixed in a pack. We will find out next season. I only have bear trapping season to look forward to until then.
Oursnorb: Are you in Gaspe?
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