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Post by bobbrennan1 on Sept 10, 2016 17:08:00 GMT -6
with those of you who are on here do any of you have electric or hybrid cars ?
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Post by bobbrennan1 on Sept 11, 2016 22:14:03 GMT -6
How about windmills or solar panels?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 12, 2016 8:19:47 GMT -6
I don't- but I have many farmers and friends, that have solar panels, that underground pipe thing- therma heating? and lots with generating windmills. I see a few more private generating windmills each year- and Elec company windfarms are common 40 miles from me and going south/southwest.
If I was a young man and lived and worked in town- first thing I'd buy would be an electric car.
I'm guessing 50, 100 years from now- it will be 100% electric, and auto driven.
Days of backyard mechanics will, like blacksmiths, soon be all but over
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Post by bblwi on Sept 12, 2016 9:51:04 GMT -6
I personally don't have any of the above. My rat trapping and maple sap partner has had a hybrid for 8 years now. Our daughter and son in law are on their 2nd hybrid auto and they have a geothermal unit for house heat and cooling. Many of my farmers have the smaller 70-90 foot smaller turbines for electrical power. They need to be powered from the line so producing 50-85% of their needs is their goal as selling back is not as profitable as generating for your needs. Many farmers are using some panels for heating water for their dairies and they run that through the floors for radiant heat in parlors and other more enclosed areas of the farm. We have two large wind farms or turbine areas near us and land owners like these as they generate income, take up a very few acres and deter residential building near them which saves them grief with neighbor problems and their dairy operations.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 12, 2016 18:14:15 GMT -6
So if you guys are so high on alternativd energy why do you still use the dreaded fossil fuel vehicles?
You could all make your point better if you would buy electric cycles and cars and forgo the fossil fuel vehicles correct?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 12, 2016 18:56:31 GMT -6
some comments simply deserve no reply
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Post by bblwi on Sept 12, 2016 21:38:11 GMT -6
Who stated we were all gun-ho for all alternative energy. I support their efforts and research even though solar panels won't work for me in my layout and buying our first 30 plus mpg vehicle is a start down that road. The message we have promoted with our family has resulted in their interest in choosing those options. A fossil fuel vehicle is not a dreaded vehicle it is the current most popular and cost efficient choice and that is gradually changing. This round I was able to convince my wife to downsize enough to get 30 MPG. I would have preferred to buy a used hybrid as have a couple of my friends. They are very hard to find as most are still valued by their owners. The most mileage on any that I know is about 165K at this time. We will see how the batteries hold up. If 8- 10 years becomes the norm and we start heading toward the 60 plus price for oil the hybrids will gain sales as they are proving to be worth the cost and are reliable.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Sept 13, 2016 7:00:55 GMT -6
that's a good point Bryce- economics is what accelerates change- whether it was from horse and buggy and steam power to combustion engines and electricity.
I can't justify spending $30-$50,000 on a truck I'll beat to death
I can but a very decent trapping truck here, full size, 4 wheel drive for $1000-2000. A truck that lasts me 4-5 years and that's with preventive maintenance, and no more than "normal" repairs for a working truck. and trust me NOTHING compares to the beating it gets gopher trapping with mounds, holes and badgers.
50 years from now- I'd be buying those used electric trucks
just like 50 years ago most likely I'd be in a car, and 100 years ago doing it by horse.
Times they are a'changing
Why fight transition? Why be apposed to progress?
Esp when the benefits of not using fossil fuel are quite real and apparent to all-
a journey does start with a single step
look where elec and driverless cars were 30 years ago- and 10 years ago- and last year compared to today
a journey does start with a single step
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 13, 2016 17:16:52 GMT -6
Tman where do you buy a running 4 wheel drive truck for 2,000 or less?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2016 8:44:16 GMT -6
all over my part of the country-
A friend just sold his for $800- everything works, rust on the fenders of course, a few dings- but a well running truck
bought my last Silverado for $1200- got 5 years out of it with minor repairs (starter, replaced 2 shocks, leaf spring)
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Post by bobbrennan1 on Sept 14, 2016 16:53:07 GMT -6
I see they are claiming 236 mile range for the Chevy volt as of a couple days ago but the only thing that I see that realistically pencils out is geothermal the others no way with out subsidies
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Post by trappnman on Sept 15, 2016 6:08:10 GMT -6
geothermal for cars?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 15, 2016 17:53:05 GMT -6
Around here you would not get a running truck for 800-1200 unless it had well over 200,000 miles on it and within no time lots of repair dollars. No way in a 4 wheel drive unless it has fix it issues right off the bat.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 16, 2016 7:13:22 GMT -6
glad I don't live there
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Post by bblwi on Sept 16, 2016 12:24:16 GMT -6
So many of you feel that autos is the only argument for or against non fossil fuel energy sources and discovery? Pretty narrowly focused way to look at how energy needs for the future will be addressed.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 16, 2016 20:18:33 GMT -6
Tman I don't sweat the cost of a clunker pickup much, mine is bought and paid for and still running good.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 16, 2016 20:21:19 GMT -6
Bryce autos are a large part of the fossil fuel bill, yes we also have heating sources and electrical but as Clinton pushers away coal more and more and Obama has done in the past many people see higher cost for every day use as well.
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Post by bblwi on Sept 16, 2016 21:08:27 GMT -6
I don't see the connection between autos and coal. Sure it is fossil fuel and that is your defense. I have stated several times that fossil fuels are the most popular choice at this time and lowest cost not counting potential future costs. What I am saying is that I don't feel that public monies spent for R & D are poor investments. Many on here state that alternatives need subsidy, well that may not be totally true and what about the 22% depletion allowance for oil. I sure would call that a subsidy but then subsidies get defined quite differently by those who like massaging the definitions. How much more might a gallon of gas cost w/o the depletion allowance?
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Sept 17, 2016 6:55:17 GMT -6
Tman I don't sweat the cost of a clunker pickup much, mine is bought and paid for and still running good.
good thing your wife works for the govt!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 17, 2016 7:55:35 GMT -6
Yep good thing LOL. I only wish she could have gotten her 8 years of college paid for by that same govt I would be sitting in high cotton then.
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