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Post by bblwi on Jun 21, 2016 16:58:00 GMT -6
One of the great accomplishments or negatives depending upon thought of large scale mass media is many who object early and do so with passion soon change over to what the masses consider " normal". This works be it liberal or conservative in bent. Look at all the Trump haters less than a year ago that are now on board. There are many things regarding Hilary Clinton I don't like but at least she has been on the hate list of millions for years and there has not been a quick knee jerk of naysayers now kissing the ring of the Trump movement. For a year his task was to out shout the conservatives of the GOP and move forward, it will be interesting to see if the same strategy works to defeat a Centrist Left Democrat.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Jun 22, 2016 1:02:58 GMT -6
" If your friend has a restraining order against the boy, if he breaks court order, that should be a felony. Nothing to sneeze at, and automatic jail time."
In WI How you are charged and the sentence and penalties you may face depends largely on the circumstances that surrounded the issuance of the order in the first place.
"For instance, if the restraining order was issued in a case of stalking, you may only face up to 90 days in jail. However, if it was issued in a domestic violence case, the potential sentence could grow to 9 months in jail and fines reaching $1,000."
His latest charges: On Violating restraining order - On one or more charges in this case, _____ _____was found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. The defendant was found guilty of actually committing the crime(s) charged, but was also found not to be legally responsible under Wis. Stats. 971.165 for committing the crime(s) because of the defendant's mental condition. The legal effect of a finding of not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect is that the court must commit the defendant to the custody of the Department of Health and Family Services.
His latest:
1 943.01(1) Criminal Damage to Property - Guilty but Not Guilty Due to Mental Disease/Defect 2 947.01 Disorderly Conduct - Guilty but Not Guilty Due to Mental Disease/Defect
3 946.41(1) Resisting or Obstructing an Officer - Guilty but Not Guilty Due to Mental Disease/Defect
4 946.49(1)(a) Bail Jumping-Misdemeanor - Guilty but Not Guilty Due to Mental Disease/Defect In effect, they don't want him in the jail. Pam
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Post by redsnow on Jun 22, 2016 15:46:46 GMT -6
The folks of WI need to change their laws! Criminal damage, Obstruction, and he's still on the street? Thing's don't work that way around here.
If you'd touch or even remotely threaten a police officer, you're going to jail! Doesn't matter if you have the IQ of a toad, you're going to jail.
I'll tell you a little story about a local incident. Late one night a punk tried to break into a business, as they say it didn't work out the best for the would be robber. The business owner held the man, spread-eagle, face down, at gunpoint until police arrived. I think the man spent the night in jail, awaiting court hearings, etc.
A day or 2 later, the 2 faced each other again, where they had a little "discussion". The landowner told the punk not to step foot on his property again! Somewhere during the discussion, the "would be robber" threatened the business man, and offered to come back with his own weapon. The business man calls the Chief of Police, and tells him about the threat, and informs the Chief that he's not going to screw around with the boy.
(Just happens that the Chief of Police and the business owner are hunting buds) About 2 hours later the Chief stopped by, told the businessman, "we found him, and picked him up for his own safety!"
That was a long time ago, and I'm not sure how many years the boy spent in prison? But as far as I know, the Chief of Police filled the restraining order. If the guy would have broken that court order, there's a good chance someone would have got hurt.
There were no shots fired, just another example of a property owner protecting his family and property, from a criminal. It happens every day by law abiding gun owners!
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Post by trappnman on Jun 22, 2016 16:36:28 GMT -6
redsnow- what is your view, on background checks, gun show loopholes, etc.
you are a calm, rational guy- I'd be interested
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Post by redsnow on Jun 22, 2016 19:01:52 GMT -6
Well, not sure where to start? I've had my FFL for better than 20 years, honestly, there aren't that many "loopholes".
Gun shows today aren't like they were 30 years ago! Years ago, I went to a gun show over in VA, found a rifle that I liked, the dealer and I haggled the price for a little bit, and I brought it home. No paperwork, no ID. More or less it was a sale between he and I. It's not like that today!
Now and then we have "gun sales" at the local stockyards, might be anywhere from 50 to 200 guns. And they also take consignments, but whoever brings in a gun for sale, they'll have the SN of each gun, signature of the owner, all on paper. And the person that buys that gun, each and every one, will go through an NICS background check. Maybe you'll take the gun home tonight, or it might be a week? If everything checks out!
Around here, if a DNR officer pulls you over and checks your guns, very good chance he'll call in the SN of each firearm, to see if it's been reported stolen. If it has been stolen, you're SOL.
While we're talking about it, I'll bet there isn't 10% of the members of this forum that have the serial numbers of their guns. Really you should. Snowballs chance of ever getting them back if they're stolen, but you should anyway!
I was down at the Sheriff's office a while back, a man came in with a page full of model #'s, Sn's, descriptions of the guns that had been stolen. Chances are he'll never see any of them again! Just a week or so ago, a friend of mine had a handgun stolen from her car, it's gone!
Criminal's don't obey laws!
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Post by trappnman on Jun 22, 2016 19:53:35 GMT -6
I'll bet there isn't 10% of the members of this forum that have the serial numbers of their guns.
good advice- I started doing that years ago, just to be safe
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