Some real common sense talk about guns

[PamIsMe]

Strict military gun control should be our model: Column

More disciplined and better supervised than society, the Army still keeps its guns locked up tight.

Check out this story on USATODAY.com: usat.ly/1toZr5z

[trappincoyotes39]

Common sense yeh right LOL. A smaller magazine will get people to attack a gun man? Who is going first. Did he shoot 3 rd or 5? Most common folk in such a situation would never know that! Pure BS. A 5 round magazine can be changed just as fast as a 20 or 30 or 50. Like California and their limits on magazines and such, what good has come from it? FACT NONE what so ever. Even with the most restrictive gun laws in the US they still have plenty of gun violence.

Many keep their guns locked up, to think otherwise is not the case. Look what happened in the US military with the shooting a few years back.

The bottom line is there will never be a fail safe way get that into people's heads.

We have the 2nd amendment live with it. Or move! The terrorist are comming give up your a guns and proceed to a gun free zone good grief.

AR is not for assault rifle, no it stands for Armalite rifle Corp FACT, the civilian models are not fully automatic and are a short battled semi auto firearm, which are legal in this country and by outlawing them as Bill Clinton did we saw no decrease in gun violence fact! Timothy McVay took diesel fuel and fertilizer and caused far,far more widespread damage in Oklahoma City, do when they make diesel and fertilizer illegal to purchase without registration as well?

common sense not so in this artical and others by left minded people.

[PamIsMe]

"A 5 round magazine can be changed just as fast as a 20 or 30 or 50."

Does that even make sense to you?

Pam

[PamIsMe]

"A 5 round magazine can be changed just as fast as a 20 or 30 or 50."

Does that even make sense to you?

Pam

[trappnman]

We have the 2nd amendment live with it. Or move! The terrorist are comming give up your a guns and proceed to a gun free zone good grief.
really? we have come full circle in that if you don't like it- move?

since almost 90% of the American public wants more background checks, wants a no fly, no buy, wants the end to gun show loopholes.

so following your logic- I guess you and the other 10% should move.

but that's you- not me. Me? Room for all, and like EVERY amendment, there are exceptions.

new gun laws are going to be passed- you can either have a seat at the table, or not.

I carry a gun every day-

I grew up with machine guns illegal for private use (with some exceptions, yes) and I never cried about it, or wailed on the internet- I just knew- that for hunting, trapping and protection- didn't really matter

[bblwi]

If you actually do believe that our "common citizen" is that unaware or ignorant about firearms then maybe a society with 310 million common citizens needs to explore the current status of gun sales, usage and the numbers and types. As you state having that many stupid citizens regarding guns and mechanisms may well mean that private and public sector needs to do a lot more informing of our citizens if we want to continue to have the distribution systems we currently have.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Yes it does Pam. I carry (6) 5 rounds mags takes a few seconds to change them out all that pooping going on at what point are you bum rushing me? Maybe I have a rifle and handgun? This pint of magazine bans is nothing more than another way to try and limit people's rights. I have 10 round mags never shot anyone and they have a purpose. Some guys have 10 round mags for a bolt action rifle which is far slower than a semi auto, who cares what magazine size is? The point is you can if you want to kill people with a few 5 round mags or one 20-30 round magazine. Allowing others to be armed and to shoot back and people being more informed goes along ways, yet again 5 or 30 the world will never be guaranteed safe. Sorry to burst your bubble. Please leave my rights and yours as a gun owner alone or keep watching guns sales hitting all new records in the comming years.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman fully automatic weapons are still illegal unless you or I have the proper paperwork to own such, far more detailed than an instant background check for such, just like suppressor a, you don't just go into a store and buy a suppressor or resale one for that matter. It takes months 6-9 to get a suppressor stamp. Why should it?

90 percent is BS plain and simple.

Anyone can resell a gun private to private you really think that will help? The millions of NICS checked guns plus another 1-2 million private sales? Who is going to check up on all of these? What will the REAL end result be? Guns are not registered to people, illegal transactions will still take place and your doing nothing to suppress crime period and fact, your just making more people jump more hoops who are legal gun owners. You think gang bangers with a record are going to gun swaps and buying guns? Really? The vast majority of gun shows are gun people, those people the vast majority are legal to,purchase such. Good grief.

If you go to ANY gun show and the guy with the guns has an FFL licnese he must by law do a background check and dispose of that gun from his or her inventory sheet just like at a store front. Even if you buy a gun action you still need to have the background check done by anyone with an FFL.

Loop hole, get me factual figures how many guns used in a violent gun crime come from a gun show numbers or percentage wise. I used to sell guns in high volume, where Imworked we had everyone in a computer but still had to keep by federal law every hard copy of paperwork, you know how many shelves and binders that took up?

Good grief,loop hole is what is causing gun violence in America give me a break.

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce many are because they watch nightly news and buy it hook, line and sinker. Loop holes and Assult rifles and magazine bans. LOL.

Again what happened to gun violence under the previous AR and magazine ban? Nothing positve for gun violence those are the facts. Many need to read up on th silly laws and mechanisms in place in California for semi auto rifles and see they have done nothing, Nadda, zero for gun violence in that state or others. Facts are there to prove it. Good grief.

Illegal in California to own a handgun with a magazine above 10 rounds LOL. 10-15-17 what is the difference? Maybe we should all be allowed a single shot weapon with only one bullet in outr possession daily? Heck weekly one bullet per week and we can serial number each casing and write it down to Fred,john or Joe. Yeh that will make America more safe good grief. Then we pass a law stating you get no other bullets until you turn in the fire case with serial number intact and we state the reason for discharge as well? We can then document,document and document again.

Sure does make me smile I do not live in the Liberial states my oh my...................

[trappnman]

yes, someone does buy the nightly news hook, line and sinker- must go down good with koolaid

its time someone called bullshit to "we got all these laws on the books" when the laws aren't for many reasons including lack of funding, and actual laws that prevent much of them being enforced.

to say the above isn't true- is being a liar

and any argument based on denying it- is false and also a lie.

If you go to ANY gun show and the guy with the guns has an FFL licnese

well hoop la la- that's not really the issue is it? its that any private seller at a gun show (not talking your cousins kids girlfriends sister as you always bring up) can sell a gun to anyone.

how many? well brother- you freaking tell me- since there are few if any records of such.

more double speak from a gun nut- note I don't say owner or user- I'm an owner and user-

[PamIsMe]

"The point is you can if you want to kill people with a few 5 round mags or one 20-30 round magazine."
Does it take any more time to change 5 round mag as opposed to a 30? Assuming you had more than one 30 I'd think more people could be massacred in a shorter period of time with the 30's.

[trappincoyotes39]

So Pam what is the proper number to be killed in a 5 minute window? Once we figure that out then we can talk about magazine limits................

You fail to miss as do other liberials what is a life worth? Is 5 dead different than 15 to those 5 families? Every time a mass shooting comes up we want to talk so called Assult rifles and magazine bans, this is a people thing not a gun thing. Those that want mass killings for the most part will use other means than a AR rifle or 30 round mags.

Why didn't the taliban go into the world trade buildings with AR rifles and 50 round magazines?

Your never going to legislate homicide, it is a people thing not a weapon things, again go look at the number of homicides by knives versus rifles. Let's do background checks on knives and save 1,500 lives. Sounds reasonable as the magazine ban and gun ban does it not?

[trappnman]

You fail to miss as do other liberials what is a life worth

REALLY> you want to go down that road?

TC- a proud member of a party that constantly and consistently denies funding for mental health?

and if any party needs it.............

[musher]

If what I think is correct, you can pass all the laws you want and nothing will change. The genie is out of the bottle and you aren't getting it back in. North America is crawling with firearms and anyone that really wants one will get one.

The real question is "Why are so many young people so unhappy that they want to die and make others die with them?" Fifty years ago this was not as big an issue. What happened?

I believe the break up of the family unit is one huge factor. Uncertainty and kids make for messed up kids. When these same kids are adults and start having kids things get forgotten and lost. Call them morals, roots, sense of belonging .... whatever. But this loss makes for unhappy people who don't want to live anymore because they do not see the point of life. So they go full video game and make the social media scene in a final flash of what they misguidedly believe is making a statement.

And then you have your two potential future presidents ..... Voters are going to have to decide which eye they want to poke a stick in. The fact that those two are even running says a lot.

Let's hope all those "check and balance" things work as they are supposed to.

[trappnman]

lets see-

one is a former S of S, has worked for others her whole life, and despite her faults, her actions show who's side she is on-

the other is a racist, bigoted, narcistic jerk- who cares only for 1 person, himself.

not too hard to make a choice.

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I do agree with breakdown of family

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do laws work? back when I was a kid- 10-12 years old, I could buy ciggies- any store would sell them to me- I'd often run in and get the old man a pack before he quit. or machines were everywhere- put in your money and out drops a fresh pack

now- we have laws to prevent that, and just about any store around here, because of the fines, cards people if ANY question about age.

can kids still get ciggies? sure.

should we rescind those laws- make it anyone regardless of age allowed to buy?

is the "trouble" of being 21 and having to show proof of age so burdensome that we need to allow unrestricted sales?

when the Patriot act came on, people like TC were all about "if you aren't doing wrong, what do you care?" apparently the constitution only apples to guns? and your right to talk about them?

if you are legal, then what do you really care, that ALL would need background checks?

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman you keep bringing up mental health cost and payment, why? That is a red herring. I am all for adding some money to keep them from getting guns. Better and more information reporting in the system we have in place! Period. That is on th doctors and states to get that information quickly to the NICS database. To think we will solve mental health issues entirely? No way. So just get the information to NICS and stop the sales. Still will not be a 100 percent.

Smoking is not protected by the constitution.

Why do we care? If you are so blinded to see that the left liberials are going to stop forcing more and more on the legal citizens of this country your living in a fantasy world. Many want guns to go away and new people to stay away. The harder you make something the less participation your going to get, that is just common sense. This isn't about saving lives, this is about quelling the sales of firearms and ammunition for many legal citizens.

Smoking is falling off not by laws but by young people now knowing the health effects smoking has on them. The number of smokers is dropping in the US not because they have tougher laws.

[trappincoyotes39]

Musher your right on the money, we need to find out why people are doing more acts of violence than years past and quit worrying about taking away rights of gun owners, as that will solve nothing. The Supreme Court will be turned one way or the other over the next 4 years, we want a country that moves further left with our court or one that moves more conservative. That is the people's choice this go around. Also how much debt do we want to saddle on our kids and grandkids? Clinton will keep the gravy train turning with more and more national debt.

2 things will happen if she is elected, gun sales will continue at massive record pace and gold will go back through the roof.

[trappnman]

thank God Trump is running, and the court will become more in tune with the people!!!!!

all the financial news- DON'T buy gold

and yes, gun sales will continue to grow every year-

I'm so going to enjoy a majority n Senate, and perhaps house.

finally get some things done.

must really suck to be a republican right now-

anyone that votes for a man so racist- is a racist. And if that's you, so be it- but own it man, own it!

[trappincoyotes39]

The court more in tune with the people OMG. With your people not those I hang around with. LOL.

All the financial news will be telling you to buy gold mark my words. Gold prices go up and down by govts actions and central banks under Clinton gold will go much higher watch and see IF she is elected.

Gun sales have not just grown but have grown at rates never seen in this country ever! That should tell you something about people and their thoughts of the future of our govt.............

Racist, WOW what a word means evil and RACIST. Funny how many of the black democrats all have smiles when being in photos with Trump in years past hey? LOL.

If that is all you have on trump then so be it. I can't wait for the debates to start, they should be very entertaining for sure!

Doesn't suck at all to be a republican as at some point people will relise the ill's of the Liberial party and what it will truly cost us all.

Besides if things get too crazy I have the ability to insulate my self from a lot of it, by moving to a super conservative state.

[trappnman]

gun sales tell me too many are chicken littles, and willing bump up prices-

kind of dumb if you ask me

All I have on Trump -good god man, do you ever get out from under that rock?

yes- racist is an evil word- and those that speak racist thoughts are evil people- and those that say "hes my guy' are racists as well.
if the shoe fits- wear it proudly

but lets talk on how he has screwed over 1000s of average workers, and put companies out of business by not paying his bills, and (hey, bet you went!) his fraudulent University- and his hate of religion, or anyone who came from another country (his wifes -plural- excluded, of course), or whos parents did, or if oyu pray to another god-

no wonder his negatives among pretty much every group- are 50-90%

that should be enough-

but that's all kitty spit-

hes a freaking racist, his words (good God Paul Ryan stated "textbook definition of racism!) show that day after day..but hey...a pic of a black man with Trump/

well, you do know, he does loves his African-American>

I'll bet you any amount you want on this election- money talks, bullshit walks.