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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 7, 2016 18:19:18 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 7, 2016 18:45:58 GMT -6
Of course both sides Pam have picked the person for many years, this time though they didn't bank on trump being one held up because people are fed up with the way our govt works for the past 20 plus years. They want to blame trump, when they need to look in the mirror.
The left will have its own come about soon enough as well, people are fed up with the 2 party system of lies and corruption and Trump is an outsider, you might find it funny now we shall see if you do when he just might become the next POTUS, millions of people will vote for him just because he is not from an established pre determined chosen few. The left is out of rock stars as well, I mean Hillary or Bernie really? Hillary was predetermined form the get go as the process works out.
Another thing people are fed up with, some states doing winner take all, others breaking them up, in the end the party stiffs really pick and choose.
I really feel that as they push harder to run trump through the mud, people will just get behind him more and more not because of his ideas but because they want to show those that think they are in power they are truly not , if they aren't careful trump could run as a very strong independent . Again maybe not so much on ideals, but we he stands for in the eyes of the people. A vote for trump is a vote against the establishment. Bernie tries to make the same claim but he has been on the inside so not really.
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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 8, 2016 0:00:42 GMT -6
"I really feel that as they push harder to run trump through the mud, people will just get behind him more and more..."" I have to differ with you on that. I think when it's down to the two candidates and they really do start digging into Trump's background and finances, he'll go down like a rock. Even world leaders are weighing in against Trump. I hope he is the Repub candidate, some conservatives are even saying they'd have to vote for Hillary:-)
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 8, 2016 16:19:44 GMT -6
Obviously background and finances mean little to people or "IF" trump is the nominee he can go back Into the clintons past easy enough and find ALL kinds of fodder to use.
Like not disclosing ALL non profits, the Clinton foundation and Bill, whitewater from back in the Arkansas days.
Besides Hillary is quoted as such, " you talk about corporate greed? The gun manufactures sell guns to make as much money as they can make"
That tells me all I need to know about Hillary, that has got to be one of the dumbest comments I have ever heard made to the public in my life.
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Post by James on Mar 8, 2016 20:16:40 GMT -6
It is amusing to see the Republican establishment reap the poisonous crop they've cynically sewn in the base voters, through their controlled media like Fox News.
Jim
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Post by bblwi on Mar 8, 2016 22:16:25 GMT -6
I agree that millions of Americans are fed up with current politics and that is probably why Trump is defeating the Conservative driven GOP. We see with the Dem's as well. Sanders is really getting the votes of the younger progressives that want a different America to live, work and raise a family. The real issue in November will be who gets those young voters and how many of them will vote. Right now if the young don't like Clinton I doubt many will be supporting, Trump or Cruz etc. Sanders may be even better at encouraging higher turnouts total than Trump and the more that vote the better off our nation will be as there will be more investment by voters if they participate.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 9, 2016 0:23:08 GMT -6
"Like not disclosing ALL non profits, the Clinton foundation and Bill, whitewater from back in the Arkansas days." OMG there's nothing that hasn't been hashed over and over again in the Clinton's background. Clinton's affair, how about Trump's affair, at least Clinton didn't get anyone pregnant that he wasn't married to, nor was he the only President to have an affair in the White House. When they get to really digging into Trump's devious business affairs he'll have a stroke. Why else would gun mfg's stay in business if not to make as much money as they can? Why would anyone? Corporate greed is a sad fact of life. They have made money hand over foot by claiming that your guns will all be taken away, which will NEVER happen. The assault rifle ban was in effect for 10 years, if it went into effect again, who would it hurt? Certainly not all those who rushed out to buy them since, because they could. Like it not Clinton is Most Admired Woman in the US for Record 20th Time and 3rd in the world. Clinton most admired Clinton has been the most admired woman each of the last 14 years, and 20 times overall, occupying the top spot far longer than any other woman or man in Gallup's history of asking the most admired question. Since 1993, the year she was first named most admired woman, Clinton has stayed in the news as first lady, U.S. senator, secretary of state and a two-time presidential candidate. I sincerely hope that will translate into votes, if Trump is the candidate I think it will. If Bernie isn't the candidate, do you think those young Democrat voters will vote republican?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 9, 2016 17:05:55 GMT -6
Pam you are a left winged person for sure LOL.
The difference between trump and Slick Willy he did it on the tax payers dime, not once but several,occasions.
Corporate greed LOL. That is called business but love how the left turns free enterprise into some mean and evil, they have been doing such for many years. She made a dumb comment period, you and others just can't admit such is all. She takes over 600,000 for a speaking engagement from the very people she calls greedy and yet has no problem with such. Really? You really believe in her? WOW, How can a gun maker be greedy for filling a demand and she does the same thing? Please explain that to me?
I have a new business model for companies, make less than demand that way you can inflate prices and then the Liberial left can bang on you for that! Ford should quick making so many trucks, diamond minds cut back, lets slaughter less cattle,chickens,hogs, grow less corn,beans, banks quit loaning money as you make too much interest, Wall Street cut back on stock shares each day cap it at 2 trades per day, gun makers make only 100 guns a day, no more than 10,000 Big Macs made each day, maybe Hillary could cut her speaking fees from a few 100 thousand down to 50 bucks as she to is corporate greed LOL. We will only pump 50,000 barrels of oil each day because we make too much gas and diesel, no more than 1 pack of cigarettes per day per person. Etc, etc.
We have a word for that Pam called socialism .
ar ban did nothing but take away a freedom and to think anyone should not be able to buy a legal product? Again socialism at it's finest.
Who would it hurt? The very people who have the right to buy such, frankly Pam there are millions of them out there many used for coyote hunting, target shooting and what ever legal thing a person would want to do with such.
Timothy McVeigh didn't need an AR he needed diesel fuel and fertilizer much bigger disaster 160 dead and 600 plus injured, massive loss to lives and infrastructure than any AR for sure. So we then need to outlaw anyone from buying fertilizer and diesel fuel? Again the Liberial left telling everyone what they should or should not do. Freedoms going by the way side each day a progressive sits in power.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 9, 2016 17:09:09 GMT -6
Hillary most admired by who? Good grief. I find her to be a liar, weak to allow her husband to cheat on her multiple times and stick with him, and someone I wouldn't pay 1.00 to meet. Sorry least admired for sure most that polling must have all taken place in Hollywood.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 9, 2016 21:13:04 GMT -6
I don't think those young democrats will come out in near the numbers of old guard Clinton as they would for Bernie. They will just stay in the bars partying and forget much about t, unless they are dyed in the wool for the left. Not all young voters are such, I don't think her being a woman will have near the pull with many of them just a hunch. She doesn't do well with young voters that is easy to see. In fact I could see some of them going to trump I do not think they are all party affiliated versus pulling for a cause.
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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 9, 2016 23:16:41 GMT -6
"In fact I could see some of them going to trump I do not think they are all party affiliated versus pulling for a cause." About the same amount of conservatives who would vote for Hillary instead of Trump I'd guess LOL
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 10, 2016 5:48:32 GMT -6
Time will tell Pam. Again for many if it comes down to Hillary or Trump the less of two evils, I would pick trump. Sadly neither side has a strong candidate ar this time. It really show that the left has pre ordained Clinton as you had just really 2 candidates to choose from a moderate socialist or Bernie a major socialist. At least the right ran varying view points on certain subjects. The convention will be interesting for sure.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 10, 2016 14:55:10 GMT -6
you are so quick to call names TC, yet you deride trump- I find that mind boggling, because YOU are doing the same thing- instead of discussing issues by reason, logic and fact.
I asked you for a debate on the real issues, an issue at a time- but you , as you have done repeatedly, won't or can't do it.
and you continue to run down and name call candidates- and refuse to name a candidate who you support.
what that means, is you have no convictions, no solutions- only criticism of others
you continue to say- well, silly things like "a major socialist" with zero understanding of either the word, or the fact socialism is EVERYWHERE in this country, and always has been. Again, I beg of you get a dictionary and use it add in you yourself worked as part of that "socialism" and your wife still does.
now post back with a copy & paste of communism, and still refusing to man up and name who YOU give your dollars to-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 10, 2016 16:38:26 GMT -6
Socialism is in the country in pockets most of it not good by any means, the problem becomes when one person wants to decide that is best for the majority of Americans, my kids and grandkids do not need to be a part of a experiment what so ever.
I can debate you case by case to why socialism is bad.
Should we start with the Indian reservations and the BIA? I have worked with their system on many occasions Tman.
I have plenty of conviction or I wouldn't be telling the other side of the coin. I have solutions but none some would like to hear.
I am not for production merely for use, I am for free enterprise and people willing to make as much as they can. They bust butt they should reap the rewards for such. Those that do not want to then you work for the man that does. Job growth is created by those willing to take a risk and work hard and as their business grows so do others.
I am not for free access just for the sake of it because some dude thinks that is how harmony is achieved. Someone has to pay for the FREE!
So called human needs, vary area to area what I think is a need some think is a want, we should not be forced into what is a need or a want. Again a free market economy and freedom of choices. Socialism is not about freedoms, no sir it is about taking away such for the betterment of the group that believes in such.
I do not want nor need a central govt controlling all of my basics of life. Sorry not the way this country was founded or setup for. Many socialized countries not do well and taxation is sky high. Fact.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 10, 2016 19:38:42 GMT -6
Tman if I wanted r live in a more socialist ran country, I need to go no further than our neighbors to the North "Canada" . They lay in extremely high taxes and they are taxed on just about everything p, by the time they are done a 100,000 job they bring home 42,000-44,000 of such the rest is broken up into taxation of many forms. Again the rich Candians still have the upper hand they are free to cross the boarder for no wait health care, why? They have the money to do such. That part is no different than any where else. The people who are hurt? The ones waiting in line for their turn. The middle income person giving up 57-60 percent o this or her wages in taxation, paying out the was ao for your turn and then pay some more. Some places you still pay some of your medical bills on top of all this taxation. You see the "free ride" for some ends up costing the ones in the middle a lot. It cost those making 200,000 + 33 percent of their income just on federal taxes! That is just crazy to me. Then on top of that 33 percent federal add in another 14-23 percent for providence taxation and we haven't even got to local taxes! Yep socialism a great plan for America.
Here is their break down just for federal taxes.
15% on the first $45,282 of taxable income, + 20.5% on the next $45,281 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $45,282 up to $90,563), + 26% on the next $49,825 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $90,563 up to $140,388), + 29% on the next $59,612 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $140,388 up to $200,000), + 33% of income.
Now here is their providence taxes on top of federal
Canadian income tax rates for individuals - current and previous years Tax rates for previous years (1985 to 2015) Federal and provincial/territorial tax rates for previous years You can find the federal tax rates on Schedule 1 and the provincial/territorial tax rates on Form 428 of the General Income Tax and Benefit Package.
Federal tax rates for 2016 15% on the first $45,282 of taxable income, + 20.5% on the next $45,281 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $45,282 up to $90,563), + 26% on the next $49,825 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $90,563 up to $140,388), + 29% on the next $59,612 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $140,388 up to $200,000), + 33% of taxable income over $200,000. The chart below reproduces the calculation of Schedule 1 of the tax package to calculate net federal tax.
Federal tax on taxable income manual calculation chart If your taxable income is $45,282 or less
Enter your taxable income from line 260 of your return Blank space for dollar valueLine 1 Base amount −0Line 2 Line 1 minus line 2 (this amount cannot be negative) =Blank space for dollar valueLine 3 Federal tax rate ×15%Line 4 Multiply the amount on line 3 by the tax rate on line 4 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 5 Tax on the amount from line 2 +0Line 6 Add lines 5 and 6 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 7 If your taxable income is more than $45,282, but not more than $90,563
Enter your taxable income from line 260 of your return Blank space for dollar valueLine 1 Base amount −45,282Line 2 Line 1 minus line 2 (this amount cannot be negative) =Blank space for dollar valueLine 3 Federal tax rate ×20.5%Line 4 Multiply the amount on line 3 by the tax rate on line 4 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 5 Tax on the amount from line 2 +6,792Line 6 Add lines 5 and 6 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 7 If your taxable income is more than $90,563, but not more than $140,388
Enter your taxable income from line 260 of your return Blank space for dollar valueLine 1 Base amount −90,563Line 2 Line 1 minus line 2 (this amount cannot be negative) =Blank space for dollar valueLine 3 Federal tax rate ×26%Line 4 Multiply the amount on line 3 by the tax rate on line 4 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 5 Tax on the amount from line 2 +16,075Line 6 Add lines 5 and 6 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 7 If your taxable income is more than $140,388, but not more than $200,000.
Enter your taxable income from line 260 of your return Blank space for dollar valueLine 1 Base amount −140,388Line 2 Line 1 minus line 2 (this amount cannot be negative) =Blank space for dollar valueLine 3 Federal tax rate ×29%Line 4 Multiply the amount on line 3 by the tax rate on line 4 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 5 Tax on the amount from line 2 +29,029Line 6 Add lines 5 and 6 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 7 If your taxable income is more than $200,000.
Enter your taxable income from line 260 of your return Blank space for dollar valueLine 1 Base amount −200,000Line 2 Line 1 minus line 2 (this amount cannot be negative) =Blank space for dollar valueLine 3 Federal tax rate ×33%Line 4 Multiply the amount on line 3 by the tax rate on line 4 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 5 Tax on the amount from line 2 +46,317Line 6 Add lines 5 and 6 =Blank space for dollar valueLine 7 Provincial/territorial tax rates for 2016 Tax for all provinces (except Quebec) and territories is calculated the same way as federal tax.
Form 428 is used to calculate this provincial or territorial tax. Provincial or territorial specific non-refundable tax credits are also calculated on Form 428.
Provincial/territorial tax rates (combined chart) Provinces/territories Rate(s) Newfoundland and Labrador 7.7% on the first $35,148 of taxable income, + 12.5% on the next $35,147, + 13.3% on the next $55,205, + 14.3% on the next $50,200, + 15.3% on the amount over $175,700 Prince Edward Island 9.8% on the first $31,984 of taxable income, + 13.8% on the next $31,985, + 16.7% on the amount over $63,969 Nova Scotia 8.79% on the first $29,590 of taxable income, + 14.95% on the next $29,590, + 16.67% on the next $33,820, + 17.5% on the next $57,000, + 21% on the amount over $150,000 New Brunswick 9.68% on the first $40,492 of taxable income, + 14.82% on the next $40,493, + 16.52% on the next $50,679, + 17.84% on the next $18,336, + 21% on the next $100,000, + 25.75% on the amount over $250,000 Quebec Go to Income tax rates (Revenu Québec Web site). Ontario 5.05% on the first $41,536 of taxable income, + 9.15% on the next $41,539, + 11.16% on the next $66,925, + 12.16% on the next $70,000, + 13.16 % on the amount over $220,000
Manitoba 10.8% on the first $31,000 of taxable income, + 12.75% on the next $36,000, + 17.4% on the amount over $67,000 Saskatchewan 11% on the first $44,601 of taxable income, + 13% on the next $82,829, + 15% on the amount over $127,430 Alberta 10% on the first $125,000 of taxable income, + 12% on the next $25,000, + 13% on the next $50,000, + 14% on the next $100,000, + 15% on the amount over $300,000 British Columbia 5.06% on the first $38,210 of taxable income, + 7.7% on the next $38,211, + 10.5% on the next $11,320, + 12.29% on the next $18,802, + 14.7% on the amount over $106,543
Yukon 6.4% on the first $45,282 of taxable income, + 9% on the next $45,281, + 10.9% on the next $49,825, + 12.8% on the next $359,612, + 15% on the amount over $500,000 Northwest Territories 5.9% on the first $41,011 of taxable income, + 8.6% on the next $41,013, + 12.2% on the next $51,329, + 14.05% on the amount over $133,353 Nunavut 4% on the first $43,176 of taxable income, + 7% on the next $43,175, + 9% on the next $54,037, + 11.5% on the amount over $140,388
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 10, 2016 19:49:55 GMT -6
Then you have sales taxes of many forms and then property Taxes which avg from 2,200 to Saskatoon which is 4.400 avg not high but avg property tax! Then add in Capitol gains taxes, insurance etc,etc.
While we might say Canada isn't really 100 percent socialist it is close and with that comes the above insane amount of taxation paid to centralized govts. So again I bust my butt and give the govt 57,000+ of my 100,000 salary? No thanks.
Then look at their social security and what they get after paying years and years of supremely high taxation not great by any means. You make over 67,000 C a year and they deduct your pension as they call it by 15 percent.
Sorry that is not the America I want.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 10, 2016 23:11:39 GMT -6
Yes it is sad to see how poorly the Canadians have to live due to their burdensome taxes as you state. They way you make it sound we need the wall up north and not down south for all the Canadians rushing to enter the low tax rate nation of the USA. We all have to remember that 8 million Americans live in America and work in Canada. Sure is funny that a socialist, liberal nation can provide work for 8 million Americans that live in a pro business, capitalist nation that embraces just get what you can at the expense of others. As to Hillary, who would not be my preferred presidential candidate but certainly superior in my opinion to Trump, so to you she is not a good or credible person, fine but you represent yourself and others are entitle to their opinions as you are and far more disagree with you than agree on many aspects of her life and career. You also mentioned that Bill Clinton did his misdeeds on the taxpayer's dime and Trump did not. So if you are of the belief that Trump and all his ventures has not received public dollars you are indeed uninformed at the least. His current issues with the modelling agency also show his government connections and opportunities. He just did not follow through with what he promised he would do, which is not uncommon for Trump. If you don't think 4 business bankruptcys don't cost taxpayers money then you don't understand the nature of why business owners file in the first place.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 11, 2016 2:29:42 GMT -6
"Pam you are a left winged person for sure LOL."
Hey we do agree on something lol
" It really show that the left has pre ordained Clinton as you had just really 2 candidates to choose from a moderate socialist or Bernie a major socialist."
And your side had 16 candidates to choose from and the pick of the litter looks like it will be Trump unless your own party figures out how to dump him. And that's the better way to do things?
"You see the "free ride" for some ends up costing the ones in the middle a lot.."
At least they still have a middle according to your assessment, where ours is rapidly disappearing. The rich and the poor in the US have always had the middle class to support them both. It's not to anyone's benefit to keep hurting the middle class.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 11, 2016 6:06:48 GMT -6
Bryce could careless how many people cross the border for work, Canada not as populated, the pointt being their taxation is sky high that is a fact. The notion you can tax yourself into prosperity is hog wash.
Bryce trump and many others can file corperate bankruptcy because it is allowed by our laws. Tighten up the laws is the answer.
I am for the people deciding not some group of super delegates. yes.
I agree less taxation and a balanced budget not more, this idea that the so called rich get taken care of by the middle class is just not factual IRS numbers look them up, the dems have been using that scare tactic for years. The numbers are and not from some biased site either.
Wage earners over 250,000 equals 2.4 percent of the working population they paid in 48.9 percent of the federal taxes, the next highest group was those between 100,000 -199,000 they make up 11.2 percent and paid in 22.7 percent of the federal taxes
Here is the number a good president will work on that Obama has done little with, called job growth in real numbers, again IRS facts. those making less than 50,000 make up 63.4 percent of individual tax returns and they paid in 6.2 percent and averaged 4.2 percent.
Shocking to some but again using IRS data: after all federal taxes are factored in, the U.S. tax system as a whole is progressive. The top 0.1% of families pay the equivalent of 37.9% and the bottom 20% have negative tax rates (that is, they get more money back from the government in the form of refundable tax credits than they pay in taxes).
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 11, 2016 6:23:11 GMT -6
Pam this deal is really super simple we need jobs here in the US and we need laws and regulations that keep or bring back more job in the US, without that as a main priority our country will be bleeding more and more people to stay afloat. We also need someone who will run a balanced budget. Not keep adding debt on top of debt. We do not need more programs we need to make America prosperous and we have never done such leaning towards socialism. If any thinks higher taxation in corperate and business America is going to do anything positive for job growth in our country, I have bridge to sell you. Because listen to those that talk of such, even if it where possible which it isn't they aren't asking about paying off debt and shoring things up they want more social programs, free this and free that, lower interest rates, our interest rates have been kept at historically low levels for years now, that isn't doing much but adding more debt onto the backs of working people.
We have the highest auto payments ever in our country, not good they move vehicles buy offering many 0 percent but now the loan has moved to 7 years! We have a major bubble in our economy and it will either get better real quick or as many predict it is going to pop in a big way soon.
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