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Post by trappnman on Mar 5, 2016 15:35:46 GMT -6
I too can see why he likes such candidates
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 5, 2016 16:37:26 GMT -6
Bryce so you post numbers without knowing where they come from or what they are for? Ok then good grief. Your site is not the USDA site, I went to USDA and they show zero price supports i.e. Direct payments to livestock ok? They have disaster payments, and loans but no direct sign up for an annual livestock price support. Again no direct annual price support like row crops, only loans and disaster payments. No disaster no livestock payments.
The wool subsidy is 20 million nation wide not SD alone.
I don't disprove any number your using as it is a red herring as to why SD and ND which are ran by republicans are in such great shape! Your claim was they are very heavy into AG and that could have a bearing on those retired folk getting SSI and your claim that cost where higher there they are not.
If SD received 500 million in disaster payments on livestock who cares? It effects the entire state very little. Denny Sandford in Sioux Falls has donated that an,punt in a year to various things by himself.
Let us just stick to the topic at hand. SD and ND are ran and have been ran by republicans and the things the left says just doesn't happen in these states. People are not starving on the streets, the unemployment is some of the lowest in the nation, and they both run with budget surpluses more years than not.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 5, 2016 16:44:58 GMT -6
Tman I like candidates that will not try and create a socialist nation, want to ruin business and free enterprise, I do not believe I am owed anything from the central govt except for what I paid in, I do not rely on them for my existence or my retirement years. I am for protecting the constitution and the amendments and not for those that want to use them as a way to change them for the worse. I do not need a village to raise my kids or my family. I do not think higher education should be free, you get out of something what YOU put into it. I went to college with a few that where spoon fed, most of them dropped out without a degree because mom and dad where dotting the bill, I footed my own bill with student loans as did my wife who has 8 years of college and soon going on 10.
I am for a limited federal govt, not one trying to be so obtrusive in my life and knowing what is best for me, they do not have a clue period. They also cannot wrap a blanket around ALL states, they are not all the same make up. That is why I am for more states rights and less federal govt intervention. I do not need big brother looking over me, nor do I want such. I don't want my health care run by the Feds, allow more competition and prices will go down. We went from thinking health care had too much profit to those closing their doors because they are not making money in some areas from AHCA. Again not a blanket deal at all.
I am not for back dooring more money to the fed coffers at the cost of employees and to business with a 15.00 per hour min wage. When you start to add up millions and billions automation becomes more in play, they do not have to pay a machine benefits or 15.00 per hour, or payroll taxes or cover them with workers comp. think about that for a moment.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 5, 2016 16:54:43 GMT -6
Bryce I did the checking for you, the cattle money is for disaster assistance and is capped at 125.000 so meaning a guy that lost 150 head of cattle in the spring blizzard a few years back is still out 25,000-30,000 dollars. If they are registered cattle then they are out more. That number will drop off for sure. Betting the payments where comming from that your seeing. Again zero price supports on an annual basis for livestock in the US. They also had the same for bees because of the bee decline we have experienced the past 8-10 years.
They get 75 percent of annual value. Last year lambs where reimbursed at 169.24 . They also pay out on captive deer,elk,alpacas, emus,equine,goats,ducks,geese,turkeys, rein deer, dairy and buffalo.
Ran through your local FSA office and heavy documentation is needed to apply.
Again all this means little to the topic of discussion so let us move on.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 5, 2016 19:29:13 GMT -6
SD is not the only state that gets the same percentage it is a federal program. Yes they did have a disaster and yes they are helped by the losses. Now what you need to check out is did they get the $125 or just the dead animals or once a disaster is involved were there other revenues for things such as feed, weight loss, stress, etc.
I have worked in areas with disaster issues and thou cumbersome for those that follow through they are able to capitalize. It is also declared by state and or county and not by farm unless there were some specific disease payments and other programs for destroying those cattle. You may want to check to see if the $125 per head was for sheep or cattle while you at it. Losses due to disaster for cows pays much more than that. Payments for disaster loss dairy cows is about 10 fold what you are stating. Also if you say $125 was the payment for each cow there are not enough beef cows in SD to reach 500 million dollars. At your rates it would take 160,000 beef cows to be just 200 million dollars.
Bryce
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Post by bblwi on Mar 5, 2016 19:42:41 GMT -6
I am not the one trying to make the connection about SD and ND retirees and this topic, you are the one doing that. It does not matter who leads ND and SD politically the federal farm bill in place when George McGovern was the senator treated the SD farmers the same as those in other states with GOP leadership.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Mar 6, 2016 7:25:21 GMT -6
the farm bill is just a small portion of the federal aid SD gets. A full 45.6% of Sd annual budget, is paid for with federal funds.
SD is the #4 state in taking the highest % of federal monies
and that is not counting moneys going to the Badlands, the Faces, etc-
And all that's done under Republicans you say.................
someone who wants to be negative on everyone elses candidates, but yet refuses to mention who he endorses, is kinda of chicken in my mind
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 6, 2016 7:25:35 GMT -6
The federal,farm bill is not what makes the state. Bryce the 125 is per lamb not cattle each has its own price index.
We used USDA numbers in our predation loss for dollar amounts as well.
Let's move on we have talked the farm bill enough. More states need to be ran like the Dakotas not less.
Tman we have been over this as well, look no further than the many Indian reservations in South Dakota and the billions spent there, if it helped might be one things, but again they are the largest social experiment in the US and it fails far more often than works, yet we continue to spend billions.
South Dakota chooses to tax their people less at the state level, also Medicaid is 20 percent of the state budget in SD , if you want a change then get the Feds to redo the formula for state funding as the way it is now.
This should explain a lot
Total estimated state spending, FY 2014 ($ in millions) State State funds Federal funds Total spending Population Per capita spending South Dakota $2,669 $1,420 $4,089 853,175 $4,792.69 Minnesota $25,861 $9,492 $35,353 5,457,173 $6,478.26 Nebraska $7,725 $2,817 $10,542 1,881,503 $5,602.97 North Dakota $5,186 $1,590 $6,776
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Post by trappnman on Mar 6, 2016 9:58:37 GMT -6
my how you do spin-
first of all- still being a chicken on naming a candidate
secondly, I don't want a change- I just want you to start understanding the sun actually DOES rise in the east-
as Geo Will just said- hard to debate someone with reason, when they achieved their positions without using reason
SD is a welfare state- that's a fact.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 6, 2016 12:27:35 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 6, 2016 20:08:24 GMT -6
Bryce the 125 was for sheep not cattle, if I had a typo who gives a rats butt. Again you keep trying to get away from the facts...........
Call what you will Tman, I guess the republicans run welfare better than the dems then? The dems run BIA and other programs that have failed big time, the republicans of SD have their state in a much better financial state than many others and is ranked in the top 3 states for retirees. Not just this year they have ranked in the top 10 for many years.
The states like SD and ND do well because they are business friendly, not anti business, because they have lower taxation not higher. South Dakota is about as strong s republican state you will find in the US. They are building things there houses still booming , a good friend told me a buddy of his sold his house a few months ago listed it at 154,000 by the time 3 buyers where done they sold it for 161.000 not many areas does that happen in this day and age. Business keeps growing and comming to SD, tourism still alive and healthy.
Not a chicken we just need no other diversions off topic on this thread like we have had already, like trying to tie in USDA spending with the health of a state LOL.
Bernies plan will not work and make things better, as more and more people get into the real debates between parties should be easy to see the status quo is not going to make prosperity for our country. 8 years and 12 trillion added debt. Middle Americans not better off under this president what so ever. Health care really no change on keeping cost in check overall as promised.
Hillairy and Trump should be a great series of debates, so many people so fed up with the left and right . Trump could be the start of something new in our country.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 6, 2016 21:43:45 GMT -6
yesterday at 4:54pm
Quote like
The below is copied from your post and all that is a typo!! LMAO It would really be funny if it were not so sad really. The real disservice is not to me as you continue to be condescending to those who question. The real issue is that you post these so called facts and other read these posts as well and it is disingenuous to others to lead them to believe what you post.
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Bryce I did the checking for you, the cattle money is for disaster assistance and is capped at 125.000 so meaning a guy that lost 150 head of cattle in the spring blizzard a few years back is still out 25,000-30,000 dollars. If they are registered cattle then they are out more. That number will drop off for sure. Betting the payments where comming from that your seeing. Again zero price supports on an annual basis for livestock in the US. They also had the same for bees because of the bee decline we have experienced the past 8-10 years.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 7, 2016 7:03:21 GMT -6
Bryce the typo was missing a zero the amount posted on USDA was 1250 excuse me, again you try and side track the discussion. I understand why though. Prices are 75 percent of market value and on cattle broken down to adult livestock, those under 400 lbs and those over 400 lbs. yet again not a price support but emergency payments above and beyond normal mortality. So yes if you had 100,000 in loss then your getting w check for 75,000 that is on the money. With today's cattle prices doesn't take many head to reach the max reimbursement due to emergency. If a guy has 350 head and looses 225 of them he is still out a pile of money, unlike price supports that pay you either way and all grain gets sold at our above market value. www.fsa.usda.gov/Internet/FSA_File/fsa_disastprogs.pdfAgain you keep diverting LOL. We go from Bernie sanders and his stance on things, to facts brought up on how 15.00 min wage would be bad for the middle class. Even though Tman says it will ad prosperity to our country LOL. And then you bring up how bad SD is for retirees depending on SSI because SD is AG dominate LOL to what emergency payments ranchers in western SD has received after congress sat on a bill for 3 years. You imply these payments are like subsidy on row crops they are not, they are disaster payments and not annual price support payments. No disaster no livestock payments. Except for the wool which agiain came back at 1/50th of previous supports. Then you call me sad on a typo. Ok..................
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 7, 2016 8:19:27 GMT -6
Let us stick to the main topic why or why not Berine Sanders should be or not be the next president. Based off of his back ground and views.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 7, 2016 19:22:35 GMT -6
How the H would I know that you only had the 125 typo? Cause that sure makes the cap all wrong as well. You don't even see the error of your ways. No I am not trying to get off track I was just trying to get correct information out on a forum that other read as well as you and I. If you read back a few pages it was not others that lead this discussion from the water tank either. I had one of the first posts that stated that Bernie will not be elected because he is too progressive for the USA main stream voter. It is you that want to continue the harpooning. I will add my personal thoughts however his programs are probably too expensive for our current political environment, but I would not call the man a bum. He exemplifies more character than almost any other candidate. Too liberal probably so, a bum no and I would take him over many of those that entered the GOP race as it is easier to talk sense to a person with an open mind than those with narrow and closed minds.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 7, 2016 20:16:22 GMT -6
Bryce you would take a man that you just said his ideals are too expensive for our country over any GOP. So your telling everyone the money spent really doesn't matter because he is left of center and not right of center, even though he would add massive amounts of debt to the already 20 trillion we have, take the middle class down a notch or two and not up, because I looked at his website and how he thinks he will pay for all of his notions, would set back many retired people or those that are within 10 years of retirement and force them to work to the day they die. For anyone with money in stocks or a 401 K or IRA would really feel the Bern with how he expects to pay for his trillions of dollars of debt in his programs.
How does that make him far more viable than any other republican running or ran?
"Bum" is a term used as he has rarely held a paying job most of his adult life outside of politics. Not by some disability but in fact he wants to live the free life and wants more people on that train, the socialist nature is to get the "rich" to pay for those that aren't considered such. Irregardless of work ethic, free college rides are going to benefit whom? Certainly not those that need it most. Sorry that is just a fact. His program is far too expensive and would cost many investments bad news and would not just hit the so called rich it would hurt the smaller investment firms as well, and cut stock trades which again hurt those with far less than maximum investments in stock markets.
His polices are a gamble and dangerous to millions not just the "rich" again how can we be a free country with overwhelming taxation ? He ideas are 100 percent paid for by more and more taxes. In an economy that is less than stable now? My kids future are not up for a gamble sorry. Yet you still state you would give Bernie a shot over any republican? Wow.
He wants to lower student loan rates to 2.37 percent back to 2006 rates, the problem is these loans are backed with tax payer money and what about the default rate? I have serious doubts 2.37 percent will cover the default loans what so ever, meaning costing tax payers more money. While they are unforgiving loans you still can't get blood from a turnip. We have another recession and loaning mossy out basically at a free rate we are in some serious trouble. Serious once again. A recession is not out of the realm by any means and if half of what he claims would be enacted in 2-3 years a recession would surely increase in chance.
How does he think we will make more in the US by raising min wage to 15.00 by 2020? By taxing business even more? We have some of the highest corporate tax rates in the world now. Then add more Union work ? Wow really? Again how does he think those jobs will stay in the US? Is he going to force business to employ people at higher than global wages 4-8 times the rates? Ok.
He worries about large banks, yet the federal govt is the largest backer of home loans in the US? Ok.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 7, 2016 22:04:38 GMT -6
I don't disqualify a person based on his profession as you do. Politics in many cases is a paying job and it is so for those that you agree with and those that you don't agree with. I don't see a lifetime politician as a bad person or lazy or a bum as you do. We have had many examples of persons who I feel have served our nation or our states etc. as politicians and don't begrudge the salaries they earn. To me there is too much emphasis by factions of our society that profession(s) indicate ones' IQ, work ethic, patriotism etc. I don't subscribe to those views. Yes I would prefer a person such as sanders with his progressive policies over the values that say a Trump would seem to advocate. Sanders at least one knows where he stands and probably then how to work with him to make the changes that probably will be acceptable to both. Trump and even Cruz do not demonstrate the capability or the desire to negotiate or really govern for that matter. Cruz is a short termer to politics and Trump is a deal maker regarding money but as far as policy one has little clue how he actually would make decisions as his past indicates whatever the flavor of the day calls for.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 8, 2016 0:18:20 GMT -6
Personally I have always liked Bernie. Almost nothing Bernie is saying can really happen in the next few years, if ever. I also think a. He's too old and b. he's an orator not a leader. I think he's better off staying in the Senate.
The big question to me is who will Hillary pick as a running mate, Bernie maybe? And who would agree to run with Trump if the Koch brothers money doesn't take him down. As far as I'm concerned there is no scandal involved with Hillary's emails and various committees investigating Benghazi have wasted millions of taxpayer dollars for nothing and voters are starting to agree.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 8, 2016 6:10:34 GMT -6
Pam I was with you until you said no scandal with Hillary. Come on now. The lady made all of these emails disappear, she has been giving false information about it from the inception, kinda of like her husband telling us all define sexual relations? LOL. She is not trust trust worthy and committed crimes by the numbers of emails she had on a private unsecured phone of top secret information. She didn't need them stamped TOP Secret to make them such and if she is that naive or let me just say it that stupid, then do we really want her as commander in chief? I mean reallly.
Voters are starting to agree? She is still doing terrible with young voters and for someone as far out in left field as Bernie is he is still gaining plenty of votes.
She was asked in a debate to release the transcripts of her talks with the Wall Street executives, first she said she didn't know if they even did such, she knew, and the moderator reminded her of that, she then said she could see what she could do. She wanted top secret information to be revealed to the public, which she knew would never happen but sounded good to cover her butt lying, but she has a hard time releasing transcripts from a paid speech? LOL ok Hillary.
She's is going to be tough on Wall Street and drug companies yeh ok, where do people think a lot of her money comes from to campaign? I mean really. So for those that feel this is the way to go attack. Wall Street and medicine how do you feel she will do such taking in lots of money from these very people?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 8, 2016 6:22:56 GMT -6
Bryce you do not become an expert on something doing 1,000 things one time, you become an expert on something doing each one thing 1,000's of times.
If you do not have the power of negotiation on many deals how are you good at it? If you never had to run a company or business and know finances what makes you think the person is qualified to run a govt for trillions of dollars? If one never has defended the constitution then what makes one think they will start to do such and how?
Yes many learn as they go, but having a background in various forms makes for a more well rounded individual. I highly doubt you or I would ever become a heat surgeon with no background in such. Who would hire us? one thing most employers look for is experience that fits the criteria of the job, now POTUS takes on a lot but we need someone who has done something related in their past, besides keep running for an office in a small state until he gets elected. Bernie is a tax and spend guy that is what he knows because of his socialist background,
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