Obama is a gun owners best friend? Ok

[trappincoyotes39]

Pam your Obama care facts look like a got site but is in fact run by a private organization that has lots of words twist to it.

I know for a fact more than a handful of not only private business but govt ran entities that have cut back on hours because of Obama care the magic number is 30 and they have dropped many people to get under the 30 hr FT mandate. Also even some govt entities who used to allow even retired people 40 hrs a week as a PT employees cut them back as well. As Obama care doesn't distinguish between the two. Meaning even if someone is on Medicare and had other retirement insurance if they indeed avg 30 hrs or more per week theybHAVE to offer health coverage to them, the Key is unless hey sign a waiver declining coverage, which under law you as an employer can not speak to them about such without fear of a lawsuit. 100 percent FACT.

This is killing many FT jobs and for your site to state allowed people freedoms to better aline themselves with a profession they like? BS unless that profession is offering 40 hrs a week and benefits. Which because of Obama care less and less are doing such due to mandates of coverage, so easy for many to hire a few more people and keep them below 30 avg year round.

prior to obamacare the retired where already dealt with, now all business private or govt has to reopen a can of worms that really need little fixing. Each employee is loosing 11 hrs a week that is 572 hrs per work year times millions of jobs being treated as such. Then adding more burden on the taxpayers to cover such, certainly not a wash for dollars in and out on taxation by any means.

[trappnman]

is all you do is name call?

it gets old....

what does the above, have to do with the fact threat to GOP led the biggest assault of the 2nd since its conception.

and FYI- do you even have a freaking clue on bernies stance on gun makers and the gun industry per se?

don't answer- because its VERY evident once again, in the words you post that are so non factual (meaning lies which is why I challenged you to $20 if either of us lies- but you did, quite wisely, not accept that challenge), that you know NOTHING about the issue, but that doesn't top you from typing words

oh well...guess I'll learn- past performance indicates future performance.......

sounds like TCs words in 2008, and once again in 2012-

reality on election day is going to be a sad day in TC's house.

[trappincoyotes39]

The fact is the left are the ones trying to limit the gun rights of legal,private citizens each and every day! Those are the facts again go to any anti gun vote in congress in the past 25 years and see how each party goes on such and who is the majority writing anti gun legislation and voting for such.

Easy to see, there is no denying such. It is public record.

Bernie wants to ban assault weapons, which again has no legal meaning what so ever, a term thought up by liberials to make the AR look and sound mean and bad. They are a semi automatic weapon with a shorter but well within legal bounds for barrel length. Again the magazine issue is a joke, I can switch 5 or 10 round mags out I. Less than 5 seconds, so what does a magazine ban do? Nothing as look to California where they have such bans and how it was adopted to help with violent crime and see what effect it has had, none zero zilch, just takes away from the legal private citizen from owning such in the state. The FACTS are their for all to see that anti gun legislation has done zero, Nadda ,nothing to reduce gun violence in the USA, it isn't a gun issue but a people issue, and legal citizens that are of sound kind should not have to listen or conform with the liberials when it comes to the owning of AR's or handguns that can hi,d ire than 5-7 rounds.

[bblwi]

If we keep looking at this as a Dem- GOP or Liberal Conservative issue or basis over time as the demographics changes over the next generation the politics of America will certainly change and will change a lot. The only thing that will keep 450 million USA citizens in 2050 or so with about half of those non white wanting great freedom of firearm ownership is a continued and even greater cultural attempt to create fear in regards to race, and religion as most of those additional 130 million will live in concentrated metro areas and not rural areas.
When the USA was a rural agriculture nation with 90% living in the country, almost all had firearms for food harvesting and protection. After WW1 and especially WW11 the nation rapidly urbanized and gun sales dropped dramatically and thus the firearm producers created marketing to sell more firearms and shifted the reason for gun ownership from security and usage to patriotism and freedom. The culture of gun ownership as a form or being a patriotic American is really only a generation and a half old and the 2nd amendment is 225 years old. The main reason I have dropped my NRA membership twice is because I don't need to get my principles about freedom from those who have a huge vested interest in the fact that I do or do not buy what they are selling.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce again we can look at the voting records and see who is behind such anti gun legislation and who votes YES in such and who votes No on such. Times have surely changed and the democrats as a whole have went to the anti gun crowd, easy to see.

The issue for many legal gun owners and why we have record guns sales is this, we know what some claim will help violent crime does nothing of the sort, yet for votes they keep,pushing anti gun legislation down people's throats to satisfy a base of people. The right to keep and bear arms has come up in court cases and our judges have shown where the 2nd amendment is for legal gun owners. Yet some keep wanting to push the envelope on the issue.

People having been buying guns at record pace for the last 7 years and why? If it is all hysteria as a few claim why hasn't the gun sales dropped off? Should have worn off long ago correct? The reason gun sales keep finding new highs is the same people keep bringing up the same nonsense when it comes to guns and gun control. People don't like it.

[trappnman]

how hard is it to understand, that guns are a urban vs rural issue?

THATSA the lesson we all need to understand- ESP when both parties have been for/against guns depending on the person- and while TC looks to little cuts as the ultimate- anyone with any form of logic and common sense, can see that it wasn't the left that tried to DESTROY the 2nd FOREVER

its not something to sweep under the rug- if Bush and his justice team had been successful- the 2nd WOULD NO LONGER APPLY TO INDIVIDUALS

its NOT something to pooh pooh as TC does- that was the LAST GOP president who took that route.

[bblwi]

You keep dwelling on the voting records of the past it is the future that matters and if you and all of us don't realize what an additional 130 million voting citizens who don't hunt, don't live in rural areas and need to find ways to live and work together in close and crowded environments then what a Dem voted for in 2012 is of little matter. As stated the only way to create a climate that lives on fear is to develop reasons to dislike, hate or discriminate against groups based on a whole host of rationale, some of which may not even be part of the culture today.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce we are not talking 2012 we are talking today and the near future, listen to both democrats and their zeal for more gun control. They have both said publicly they want the AR ban and magazine ban put back into place and if elected will try to do just that. Mrs Clinton also has stated publicly she ants to do away with the protection clause for gun manufactures and allow them to be sued if a gun which has been purchased even in a legal manner ends up being used in a violent crime!

Sorry that is not the past and hard to get along with someone who looks to do much harm to our 2nd amendment rights. Doesn't matter what others think that live in kore urban areas but hat our Supreme Court rules and they should be ruling on intent and the amendments, which theybHAVE done to this point. I and millions of others fear 2 more Liberial court justices and many things our country was founded in will take a 180 turn and not for the better.

[bblwi]

That will not happen near term even if elected and all of your mindset should or do know that. It is the future that really matters. What happens in the next few years will not set the base for what will evolve as the millennials become the largest living group and in their 40s and 50s and the parents of the emerging generation following them. The issue that frustrates me is that for 160 plus years with our Constitution there was never a gun rights issue until the firearms industry needed to ramp up marketing to sell guns to citizens who did not need firearms. They have helped create the divisive culture that creates the fear and resentments that sells weapons.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Ramp up sales to those who don't need guns? Explain please?

[trappnman]

explain? sure= people like you yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling for 8 years.

[bblwi]

Guns in the past were utility items, much like a plow, hoe, axe, stove etc. As the culture moved to urban and many never even gardened etc. there was less need for firearms as a form of utilitarian items of need. There has been a need to market items that don't have frequent or daily use to support a family. There has been a need to create a climate of fear so that our society feels the need to protect themselves as the firearms industry has also helped create a feeling that government is the enemy and that can and does include protective services in subliminal ways and some not so vague.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce what a view? Firearms are there to protect persons and property from many forms. They are also used for recreation and enjoyment. As long as they are legal in purchasing a firearm who cares what the use is for? Sure their is marketing involved as in any other business. People in some areas have seen a rise in crime and in many cases the criminals are not just breaking in unarmed, violence has gotten worse. So many people have decided to have home protection, in other areas not near the cause or concern for such and they purchase hunting and recreational firearms. The point being we have a right to keep and bear arms. We have a right to protect ourselves and our family from lethal harm. We have a right to carry a concealed weapon if we choose to do so. We have a right to go to a shooting range or a back yard range and shoot just for the enjoyment of such,

Your comment makes the gun industry sound evil? Scaring people? What they do not have a mind? They choose to go through the process to purchase firearms they have a choice to do so or not. I feel many do not like a handful of people in DC telling them what they can and cannot own and if they even have the right to carry a firearm. The entire AR craze came about because of Bill Clinton and his banning of such, which again had zero impact on violent crime period. So millions saw it as an infrginement on their rights and the issues have become front and center and the Supreme Court has spoken out on more than one occasion.

We have an environment that puts less and less value on human life and willing to take such for 50 bucks and a credit card or a car or truck. Times have changed and people are allowed under the 2nd amendment to carry and protect themselves, nothing wrong with that at all. It is the constant infringement on these rights that have people buying guns in record numbers, the democrats scale back on the gun rhetoric and you will see guns sales drop back off, those are just the facts. As long as Hillary and Berine talk about AR bans, magazine bans and allowing firearm manufactures to be sued and ran out of business, your going to have the people buying guns in record numbers as we have seen. It is not he same people buying a stock pile of guns, you have millions of new shooters in the last 10 years this is fact, you have more people,involved in shooting sports and recreation than at any other time in our country. You have more and more shooting ranges comming online because of the number of shooters growing. Believe it or not millions enjoy shooting just for the sake of such. You have many contest and matches and growing all the time.

This is not just a rural versus urban thing, no way. Many urban folks are the ones heading to the indoor ranges and buying guns and shooting multiple times a month or buying yearly memberships. We as free people born and raised have an inherent NEED to keep our freedoms and the people have spoken out on anti guns issues by buying and shooting. Facts.

The climate of fear has been put in place by Obama, the democrats in congress and criminals looking to cause harm to people. As long as they keep talking about more and more limitations put on people because they seem to know what is best LOL, the gun sales will continue at record pace. I will go on record and say if Hillary is President we shall see in 2017-2018 the most guns sold in our countries history.

You need to look and understand the gun industry much of what is being sold is not home defense shotguns , many are into long range rifle shooting, a company in your home state Bryce has a year back order on their scopes that cost 2,300 each! These are high magnification scopes made in Wisconsin and not meant at all for home defense or Armageddon. Long range precision shooting, recreational shooting is replacing other outdoor activities like golf.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman the sky is not falling because of the Supreme Court and republicans have some control in congress or the outlook would be different FACT. If Obama could use excutive orders and get his way gun regulations would have changed FACT, he knew with talking with his people some what he would have liked to out in place would never hold up in the high court FACT.

Our presidential candidates should more worried about, jobs, debt control, security and many other issues besides AR bans and suing firearm manufactures. Why? The firearm industry has been the bright spot under this administration as far as sales go and Pitt Roberston dollars going back to states. Not to mention all of the jobs they have added due to record production years and all that sales tax the states and the federal govt have brought in on such sales.

[bblwi]

You don't need to market what is needed,it sells very well. Marketing fear creates what people feel they need for protection and firearms are an easy fairly low cost way to buy some security and there are few if any laws or training one needs to buy and use and or store. There are slums with much, much larger populations and much more dense with far fewer criminal deaths than we have here in our society. We have created an environment where arming ourselves is perceived to be the way to protect ourselves instead of working on ways to live in close proximity with more tolerance of each other and different creeds, races etc. It is really quite alarming that the nation that has Constitutional protection and a declaration of being created equal has very limited tolerance for each other. If we were more illiterate and less affluent we would be more like equatorial Africa than a developed nation when it comes to a society. At least for now money does cover up for a lot of our shortfalls as humans.

Bryce

[bblwi]

The gun industry is not evil they are just really capitalistic like most major industries that need to market like crazy to encourage purchases or need to purchase items that are not really needed. That is the American way and the industry has Constitutional protection to practice that marketing in almost any form they choose to and much of it without regulation. My statements regarding these issues are not necessarily my beliefs on some or even most of what I type but I feel reflect where our society is headed demographically as well as culturally. That is something I feel is sadly missing in the policy and programs of those organizations that feel they can continue to divide and separate segments of our society and not change. What they don't understand is that 130,000 licensed gun owners (as compared to 140,000 gas stations or 40,000 grocery stores) have a huge vested interest in increasing the need to purchase firearms. Also voting for and demanding a large military is also a way of increasing sales and profits as well. One can't rent a video without an ID which may be worth $10 but I can go to a gun show and buy thousands of dollars worth of firearms and ammo without even having an ID. To me one of the two need to change as they don't equate in the everyday way we as a society should be moving forward when it comes to figuring out how to live in a world with another 2-3 billion people in 40-60 years.

Bryce

[trappnman]

someday, I have this dream- the dream is yo uwil lactually recognize what a fact is, and what a fact is not.

and a non fact, repeated over and over- is still NOT a fact-

but here is a fact for you- the ONLY time the 2nd has been to the SC to decide if it applied to ONLY militias, and not private citizens, was done under the LAST GOP president- and Bush's justice dept argued, to the SC, that the 2nd was meant to apply ONLY to "organized militias"

thank god the REPUBLICANS didn't get their way

so are so lose with the facts- that I was willing to bet $20 on every statement either of us made to be paid if it was a lie-

YOU declined- and trust me, I understand why- your wife wouldn't like all the money you would be sending to Minnesota.