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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 8, 2015 6:05:50 GMT -6
James percentage wise I am betting it is still the highest as well. It ranges from 20-30 percent depending on what people see as public Assitance.
Approximately 52.2 million (or 21.3 percent) people in the U.S. participated in major means-tested government assistance programs each month in 2012, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released today. Participation rates were highest for Medicaid (15.3 percent) and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as the food stamp program (13.4 percent).
The average monthly participation rate in major means-tested programs increased from 18.6 percent in 2009 to 20.9 percent in 2011. However, from 2011 to 2012, there was no statistically significant change in the percentage of people who participated. From 2009 to 2012, the average monthly participation rates for Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income and SNAP increased, while the rate decreased for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families/General Assistance.
“Participation in government programs is dynamic,” said Shelley Irving, an analyst with the Census Bureau’s Social, Economic and Housing Statistics Division. “The Survey of Income and Program Participation shows how individuals move in and out of government programs and how long they participate in them.”
The largest share of participants (43.0 percent) in any of the public assistance programs stayed in the programs between 37 and 48 months. Additionally, 31.2 percent of people participated between one and 12 months between January 2009 and December 2012.
The report, Dynamics of Economic Well-Being: Participation in Government Programs 2009–2012: Who Gets Assistance?, follows a sample of U.S. residents through the Survey of Income and Program Participation. Statistics are presented for the major means-tested programs by various demographic and socio-economic characteristics, and statistical comparisons are made to data collected from 2009 to 2012. A means test is a determination of whether an individual or family is eligible for government assistance, based on whether the individual or family has income and/or assets that fall below specified thresholds.
How Long Did People Participate in Programs?
Of people enrolled in Medicaid, 35.6 percent participated between one and 12 months and 35.3 percent participated between 37 and 48 months. At 38.6 percent, the largest share of SNAP recipients participated between 37 and 48 months. At 49.4 percent, the largest share of people receiving housing assistance benefits participated between 37 and 48 months. Of people enrolled in the Supplemental Security Income program, 35.6 percent participated between one and 12 months, while 38.2 percent participated between 37 and 48 months. At 62.9 percent, the largest share of people participating in TANF participated between one and 12 months. Who Participated in 2012?
Children under age 18: Those under 18 were more likely to receive means-tested benefits than all other age groups. o In an average month, 39.2 percent of children received some type of means-tested benefit, compared with 16.6 percent of people age 18 to 64 and 12.6 percent of people 65 and older.
The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month. o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.
Female-householder families: At 50 percent, people in female-householder families had the highest rates of participation in major means-tested programs. o The rates for people in married-couple families and male-householder families were 14.7 percent and 29.5 percent, respectively.
Non-high school graduates: 37.3 percent of people who did not graduate from high school received means-tested benefits. o 21.6 percent of high school graduates and 9.6 percent of individuals with one or more years of college participated in one of the major means-tested government assistance programs.
The unemployed: In an average month, 33.5 percent of the unemployed received means-tested benefits in an average month of 2012. o By comparison, 25.3 percent of those not in the labor force, 17.6 percent of part-time workers, and 6.7 percent of full-time workers participated in means-tested programs.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 8, 2015 6:13:08 GMT -6
Bryce that is where we differ, can't cover the cost or easier to allow the govt to pay the cost? You see some people would rather work FT or 2 jobs versus taking the public Assitance. Wonder what she will do now that she has only 2 left under 18 today? Betting they qualify for less or none at all, been a few years since I have talked with her.
She was and is able bodied and could have done something for what she receives/received. She chose not to work nothing more or less. She was offered PT work as well and turned it down at 10.00 per hr plus tips. I know that for a fact as I made the job offer to her at the time.
Again this all comes back to yes we have a certain portion that work the system is it smaller than those that need such? Yes sure is but we should not be turning a blind eye to those that abuse any system and say it is ok as it s a small amount, when who really knows what it adds up to each year.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 8, 2015 7:00:00 GMT -6
I mean come on- when you point out all the people on welfare, I pointed out that included tax refunds medicare, etc-
and you said= throw those out
but when asked for proof-
back they come
hard to take you serious
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 8, 2015 7:28:08 GMT -6
Tax refunds are not apart of the Assitance program unles you can show me where to find such ? We can call them and other things subsidies for sure, but not apart of the data, which is about means tested programs.
The bottom line is the numbers have went up and the length has increased to avg of almost 4 years for food stamps and housing Assitance if we could cut that number in half and make other cuts we could be in a better position.
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Post by bblwi on Dec 8, 2015 11:48:38 GMT -6
One very large question is do we have a better economy by providing billions in services that keep many working or drop services and retain billions and billions for the firms that will not provide the 20 million jobs for these people to contribute at all to the US economy? We complain about all those that won't work if you have an answer of how to find meaningful work for say 30-50 million unemployed and underemployed I am, sure there will be a great audience willing to hear you out. I don't think the I won't work because I am too lazy is a far smaller segment of the assistance recipients than your are trying to lead us to believe. There are a lot of unemployed because there are no jobs available. I would much prefer to see most of the assistance dollars spent on wages for government jobs to do many things but then that smacks of FDR's New Deal and the Conservatives won't live with that progressive policy either. I have met and known many who worked in WCC projects throughout WI and how proud they were of there work and accomplishments. Most of the infrastructure in our national forests, state forests etc. was done by WCC workers and we enjoy those benefits yet today.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 9, 2015 0:23:39 GMT -6
"The largest share of participants (43.0 percent) in any of the public assistance programs stayed in the programs between 37 and 48 months. Additionally, 31.2 percent of people participated between one and 12 months between January 2009 and December 2012."
Mmmmmm, doesn't that pretty much state that that 4 years is about the longest average for those receiving public assistance of any sort? Doesn't sound like a bunch of life-long freeloaders to me.
At the price of nursing homes these days and the aging population going up, the number of medicaid recipients will go up. If my Mom had lived 3 more months at $7,200 a month she would have been on Medicaid to pay the nursing home. My mother in law was unusual in that she outlived her assets by 8 years in the nursing home. At the food pantry here a good share of the people, who also probably qualify for food stamps if they would apply, are elderly single men and women. I certainly don't consider them free-loaders.
If one knows for a fact the neighbor is cheating the system, them report them! It's only way they'll be caught.
Are we a Christian nation or not? Since we're so fond of the Bible how about these quotes:
•"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." Deuteronomy 15:11
•"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." Proverbs 14:31
•"If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." 1 John 3:17-18
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 9, 2015 20:22:34 GMT -6
"Thou shall not steal"
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Post by bblwi on Dec 9, 2015 23:36:33 GMT -6
Who says that we turn a blind eye on those that receive assistance they are probably the most bashed element of our society. Criminals get more positive PR than most assistance recipients do regardless if they are milking our needing. When you have presidential candidates slam the 47% that paid no taxes then you have a society that chooses to bash and hate. The really disturbing part is that those tax codes and laws were not written at all by those who pay little to none. The were written by those who have ample and more. Tax payment and welfare reception have become socio-political issues that keep us from addressing serious causes for the divides. When I was in elementary school in the 50s and early 60s we were probably the poorest family in the neighborhood we probably lived in the most dysfunctional home with safety being a real issue, yet I did not read in the papers about how bad we were for our society and I did not read about candidates that exposed our contributions to the worsening of our society. It was not easy nor fun and I am grateful in many ways to just be alive, yet even with all those things in the mix I was never made to feel unwanted by others and that is just plan flat out not true today. We bash the millions we don't like here and now we have candidates advocating to shut the door on many highly qualified future citizens. What do we fear the most, the threats of violence or the threat of being out performed?
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Dec 10, 2015 7:49:27 GMT -6
now receiving food stamps or medicare- is stealing?
Sunday- ask to give a guest sermon- stand up tall and in front- telling those that are on medicare and medicaide thiefs and robbers-
The really disturbing part is that those tax codes and laws were not written at all by those who pay little to none. The were written by those who have ample and more.
absolutely true- and just as true is knowing who is lobbying against a flat tax.
also (for TC) those "not paying taxes" means not OWEING federal taxes
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Post by bblwi on Dec 10, 2015 10:05:09 GMT -6
Approximately 52.2 million (or 21.3 percent) people in the U.S. participated in major means-tested government assistance programs each month in 2012, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released today. Participation rates were highest for Medicaid (15.3 percent) and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as the food stamp program (13.4 percent).
Those on Medicaid, why not research for us the number that are over 65 and beyond retirement age so we can find out how many of these are the lazy non workers you keep bashing as the downfall of America. In the nursing home my 93 year old mother in law resides in far over half of the patients are on assistance and for many of your ilk they are parasites to our society because they out lived their money?
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 10, 2015 19:14:57 GMT -6
Tman and Bryce you skip to the parts that do not pertain because it makes people like me look evil LOL.
I am talking about those of able body and of age that could be working and do not, nothing more or less. Please show me where Instated we need to do away with any of those programs? I stated and would state to anyone if your working the system then your stealing, that simple no different than insurance fraud. Means tested by itself means little,again fir the criteria and your in, not all who fit need to fit but numbers based and that can be self inflicted for sure.
Bryce that is 1/6th of our population how long do you think we can keep,covering that bill?
Again Bryce pick the cases that fit your mold? We are talking about those fleecing the system, not someone in their 90's who have given up their money and outlived the avg or the person trying to make ends meet and using food stamps as a supplement to their income. I am directly calling out those who choose not to work because they are happy with what the govt will give them and do cash things or sell there food Assitance for cash type of activities that we all know takes place.
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Post by bblwi on Dec 10, 2015 19:34:43 GMT -6
No we don't skip. Your the one that is listing the Medicaid recipients and I was just wondering if the site you pulled that from had an age breakdown as well as an income breakdown. To me that would be valuable information in determining who and where our poverty is at or trending. If it is the aging that are recipients with the demographics we have now that will only increase and maybe dramatically. There are two ways or more to be poor as an elderly person. One is to not have enough money and the other is to hire good enough legal advice to rid yourself of your assets. Again let talk about those able bodied ones that don't work. with say minimum wage as the guide as that is where many would be how do you know many are not working 1/4, to even 1/2 time or more and with incomes that low still qualify. I worked with dairy farmers with 3-4 children and as many as 60 cows or more who qualified for Medicaid or Badger Care with children, Food Stamps and heating assistance and the two probably worked 4,000 hours a year taking care of their farm. We have unemployment rates of about 5% in our general area and yet over 30-50% of the children in the schools in the area qualify for reduced or free lunch. The vast majority of those are working families and many with two jobs or more in the household.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 10, 2015 19:51:46 GMT -6
Bryce your numbers are like many areas in the US but yet some will try and convince me and others that boy the economy is picking up LOL.
I posted the numbers to show the facts nothing more or less. Never stated all of those or the majority are working the system, but I do know there are a share that work the system and we need to clean that up as it is not going away or getting smaller. how do we cut out the fraud? Who knows but making sure they're are doing something either with a pay stub as proof or otherwise they put in time each week working for that check.
At least on the housing end they must have a job of some sorts to get the housing and Work a minimum number of hours or they have to do community service at least here they do. Less than 20 hrs worked they must out in 10 hrs of community service. They also have a no drug policy here, get caught with drugs in your govt assisted apt or house and your gone within 3 days, no further talks about such. Done and gone, the dwellings are open to inspection at any time.
Now we need to do more and help cut the waste no matter how small some may think it is, deterrent for those that want to try and work the system.
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 11, 2015 2:44:29 GMT -6
"We are talking about those fleecing the system///"
No, only the poor. It's a very minor problem compared to what corporations get away with. Why not pick on them for a change? Maybe because the poor can't fight back, much easier to kick people when they're down than help pick them up.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 11, 2015 5:54:17 GMT -6
The poor can't fight back? they do so with their vote Pam. Many people are generous and help with food pantries, giving trees, money etc. the poor in this nation are far better off than in any other country for sure! We have programs in place to help those who are down get back up far greater than other countries. The programs are very costly yet provide services to million and millions of people, that is a good thing!
Again talking about those that fleece the system and cleaning that up. You find it as nothing many working people find it as something and unjust and wrong.
Some want to talk about the rich and the tax breaks they get, I understand some of this and could be cut into as well, but some helps to create job growth as well which is very important, sorry to say these companies create jobs that would help the poor as well.
We look at both sides of the coin and then many vote their same congressional people back in office every few years because they have a D or R after their name and they are doing the same or worse than the rich or poor. Funny how that works. lol.
Again I find nothing wrong with free free market or making tons of money, the gun industry is on wave and bring in alot of tax money for both the states and the federal govt , so nothing wrong with people using their right to keep and bear arms and buying as many guns as their pocket book or they tell themselves they can.
Don't worry Pam the wave will come to shore at some point and many of these gun makers will be gone in 8-10 years or less and the tax revenue which are fairly high rates will sink back down as that wave comes to shore.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 11, 2015 6:48:19 GMT -6
the reason we are speaking as we are, is because your claim of all these welfare recipients living the live of leisure on welfare, is just bullshit in the overall scheme of things
and the reason we are speaking as we do, because individual welfare is FREAKING DROP IN THE BUCKET compared to corporation welfare- and THAT, bothers you not- instead, we hear the story of your uncles cousins girlfriends sister that bought ciggies and beer with her $15 a month food stamps
or you rail on all the drug users on welfare- yet when states drug test such- the % is less than 1%-
you deal in myths and fairy tales that don't stand up to the light of day-
I see much Trump in you- no matter how false, no matter how untrue- if you said it, you stick to it
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Post by bblwi on Dec 11, 2015 8:44:23 GMT -6
So now it is the bad economy! You just state constantly that all these lazy people have to do is work and you no dis our comments on Medicaid and reduced lunch due to a poor economy so you can bash the current administration and yet you feel there are millions and millions of unfilled jobs for those that you feel are too lazy to work. The fact that two people can work even full time and qualify for several forms of assistance is in many ways much more of a statement of our current cultural and political value system than it is the status of our economy. When oil was $100 per barrel how many of some of the major OPEC nations like Iran, Iraq, Arabia, Yemen, Mexico, Nigeria had greatly reduced levels of poverty in their nations? We are choosing to be like them instead of say Norway, Scotland or even Canada.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 11, 2015 16:35:39 GMT -6
"You find it as nothing many working people find it as something and unjust and wrong."
I don't find it as nothing, just as a minor problem compared to all the others who are fleecing the taxpayers. Ditto to Bryce's comments!
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 11, 2015 19:31:47 GMT -6
Less than one percent? lol ok Tman your story. Here is what is happening in Maine. www.pressherald.com/2015/08/12/few-drug-tests-ordered-so-far-for-welfare-users/Please make sure to read the part that 15 where scheduled for the test and 13 yes 13 failed to appear for the test, I wonder why? lol. I figure your 1 percent is for those that show,up? Because 13/15 is more like 86.6666 percent ..............
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Post by bblwi on Dec 11, 2015 20:19:07 GMT -6
So what is the big deal? If they don't show up they loose their benefits. You don't want them to receive benefits I would think you would be glad they stayed home. I bet a lot of business owners would wish their drug users would stay home as well. If you want to talk about who is addicted the AMA could fill you in a lot upon addicts and alcoholics who are self employed, but you know they are high class people because they don't take from anyone.
Bryce
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